From: Stepanov Anatoly <stepanov.anatoly@huawei.com>
To: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] filemap: use high-order folios in filemap sync RA
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2026 15:46:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54b4144e-57fb-446a-b28e-aac4390cb503@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3cr6ppe6bic47tan2iapuh67s67hiroangvdiap4jbn7ypru2o@rbvqv3sxifwp>
On 4/15/2026 3:06 PM, Pedro Falcato wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 03:28:53AM +0800, Anatoly Stepanov wrote:
>> [Idea]
>>
>> If a mmap'ed file being accessed such that async RA never
>> kicks in, we might end up with only 0-order folios in the page cache.
>>
>> if fault_around_bytes is larger than 1 single page, then
>> it's beneficial to use high-order folios, which brings significant
>> filemap_map_pages() speedup.
>> So, let's just use fault_around_bytes as a starting point here.
>
> Well, this heuristic looks arbitrary. I don't like to mix different concepts.
>
> With this, in practice most file folios will be 64K. Why? Why is it related
> to faultaround when faultaround is a separate mechanism that isn't particularly
> relevant here?
>
>>
>> if an arch supports PTE-coalescing we can get more of those for free.
>> (see arm64 example below)
>>
>> We don't save the new order to "ra->order", so if async RA will happen
>> it would normally start from order-0.
>>
>> [Things to be discussed]
>>
>> But at the same time, i can see drawback for 16K, 64K pages, in this case fault_around will still be 64K by default.
>> In this case, it seems makes sense to make the fault_around_bytes be like order-N of PAGE_SIZE, not fixed bytes number.
>>
>> Another issue is - when fault_around=0, but we'd like to use high-order folios for sync_RA, for cont-PTE for example,
>> For this we can use kind of "max(fault_around_order, cont_pte_order)".
>>
>> Or introduce some dedicated tunable like "sync_mmap_order".
>>
>> [Benchmark]
>>
>> Simple benchmark below reading 100M file in 4M (RA size) chunks
>> such that async RA doesn't kick in and the page cache ends up being
>> filled up with 0-order folios.
>
> Well, the problem is that you are _never_ getting RA to kick in. Folio
> size is the least of your concern, you are effectively not doing much
> readahead since the kernel thinks you're doing random accesses.
No, that's not true, "sync mmap readahead" actually works in the case
the problem is that "async RA" doesn't kick in.
>>
>> The patched kernel gives ~3 times increase in throughput,
>> considering the page cache is filled up at the moment.
>>
>> The main speedup comes from filemap_map_pages() due to high-order
>> folios usage.
>>
>> As a bonus, we get better cont_pte bit coverage for Arm64.
>>
>> Example:
>> // Open 100M file and read every 4M chunk, given max_ra=4M
>> // Perform 10 runs, measure the throughput.
>> ...
>> char *map = mmap(NULL, filesize, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, fd, 0);
>> if (map == MAP_FAILED) {
>> perror("Error mapping file");
>> close(fd);
>> return 1;
>> }
>>
>> struct timespec start, end;
>> clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, &start);
>>
>> unsigned int size_4M = 4*1024*1024;
>> unsigned int num_reads = filesize / size_4M;
>> volatile char val;
>> for (int i = 0; i < num_reads; i++) {
>> off_t offset = (off_t)i * size_4M;
>> val = map[offset];
>> }
>
> This doesn't seem like a real issue. And if it is, you can always issue
> readahead manually. But the whole pattern of "every perfectly-sized RA
> window, access 4 bytes and advance" is completely bizarre. And _if_ this
> is your workload, then having order-0 folios at the read site is much better
> than filling your page cache with data you are not accessing.
>
> Do you have an actual use case for this? Where have you observed these
> problems?
>
--
Anatoly Stepanov, Huawei
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-15 12:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-15 19:28 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Use high-order folios in mmap " Anatoly Stepanov
2026-04-15 13:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 13:33 ` Stepanov Anatoly
2026-04-15 19:28 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] procfs: add contpte info into smaps Anatoly Stepanov
2026-04-15 12:52 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-15 19:28 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] filemap: use high-order folios in filemap sync RA Anatoly Stepanov
2026-04-15 12:06 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-04-15 12:31 ` Stepanov Anatoly
2026-04-15 12:46 ` Stepanov Anatoly [this message]
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