From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 892EA156C6A; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 13:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756302592; cv=none; b=Tjkh9P8+w/VmatRDETNkK0vsCS7Q2MfNYldzqlstt66R0bemnxYlfga91eHqyabUlRKSu/gcv0Ci/dldHUUhFc6fcaw7RAJ4utegwuCjaGwGUvUtafeJ7aziNKzX3CMhJers4I9xwubotqxnEAZJqjhBFzzDhq4N2KQhNEAFpcg= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756302592; c=relaxed/simple; bh=GcaZ3E0lOVaI/dz7qSd5StsudC08+m3pWU8LRWDOSW0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=bG5/eTWILKc1KeX9mDmXM1yG5p2jbS8d83uT/jeogG+Xf9L4eoijJFReXiR9MBCcos4fc/U39PIrHGsJhpLemNugINnExwkqvg0xXExY40EewmBDW0OqLz4Ei578k6FMODHZM4fcAGU1lUBLvqyBJIuDKpGOArZ5APBrtsnxSPs= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=Tp9hFHsf; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="Tp9hFHsf" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11854C4CEF0; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 13:49:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1756302592; bh=GcaZ3E0lOVaI/dz7qSd5StsudC08+m3pWU8LRWDOSW0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=Tp9hFHsf5wZRA5Ngee9Y6zBDrUVaRX8mOvlXsftUuc4AeWx2fWi7D9yy34Xe1oj8l nlgTjVITFfPScm1ESRXnHa5kGCs9AJNJUD3L3tntkqnzGwMP5rMloVvyjUJdFrzS5T C6xzr94yEiEEwKo8Y/2XlPLLeZbbLwxEgLxzPOyHhXjDSYmicCEJ0/lIwfQz2z7LHI BJF0ZqqaGX6HKcnw9mge3LD84jst23rQD+Kp1KXB8Z3UtrXeQnmc6ZYarFizkCH5ps pDH5+QXyurHDcG14vfa86pkzNNr34dnixsyYvSdMTrXoJz3IheycLLCoz6kY8xVmOn yhmsKKqhvaUnA== Received: from mchehab by mail.kernel.org with local (Exim 4.98.2) (envelope-from ) id 1urGX7-0000000150B-2qzx; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 15:49:49 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 15:49:49 +0200 From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Bagas Sanjaya , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Documentation , Linux Kernel Workflows , Jonathan =?utf-8?Q?Neusch=C3=A4fer?= , Fox Foster , Federico Vaga , Randy Dunlap , Stephen Rothwell , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better known the details" phrase Message-ID: References: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com> <87wm6p9v8l.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <20250827113312.62162725@foz.lan> <877byp9f63.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <20250827144757.26599d50@foz.lan> <87tt1s9ap4.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87tt1s9ap4.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Sender: Mauro Carvalho Chehab On Wed, Aug 27, 2025 at 07:05:27AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > Mauro Carvalho Chehab writes: > > >> But neither of those say the same thing. Read "had better know" as > >> "really should know" and you get a lot closer. I guess I didn't realize > >> that it was such a strange construction. > > > > I bet very few non-native English speaker developers would understand it > > like that. > > Even though a non-native developer wrote it :) :-) Well, I suppose that non-natives raising kids in US would use this a lot, as, from the examples I saw about such usage, it sounds to me exactly the kind of language that parents would say a lot to their sibilings ;-) > We can tweak it, but I'd rather not change the meaning, Sure. > and, more to the > point, that document needs significant work rather than low-level > tweaking. Fully agreed. Seeking it at historic tree, the original text was written on 2004. Surely management style changed a little bit over all those years ;-) Thanks, Mauro