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out is > > very clearly not something that will be acceptable to people. > > You can opt out when you receive your first AI patch ;-) Yeah, there's just no way maintainers are going to be fine with this. But this is why mediating this via the maintainers summit is a great idea - let's get that feedback there. And if I'm wrong and everybody's cool with it I will happily eat copious humble pie :) > > > > > Assuming an LF policy most maintainers won't be aware of applies with the > > kind of ramifications this will inevitably have seems very unreasonable to > > me. > > This is why the policy should just be "It's up to the maintainer to decide > if they will take the patch or not". Isn't this just what review is? :) I mean having a tag makes life easier on this front, but I think we should be as conservative as possible, and in my view that position is to default to not accepting. > > If the maintainer starts getting too many submissions, then they can update > the MAINTAINERS file to say "stop all AI patches to me!". Just like we have > an opt-in for to not be part of the get_maintainer.pl "touched this file" > with the .get_maintainer.ignore script. Again I really don't think this aligns with what maintainers will want. But again I think that is better settled or at least addressed at the maintainers summit. > > > > > > You might suggest presuming a policy for maintainers is inappropriate, but > > you are doing so wrt the LF policy on the assumption everybody is aware and > > agrees with it. > > > > That same document says individual projects can _override_ this as they > > please. So the introduction of this document can very well override that. > > > > We at the very least need this to be raised at the maintainers summit with > > a very clear decision on opt-in vs. opt-out, with the decision being > > communicated clearly. > > Agreed. > > > > > It's maintainers like me that'll have to deal with the consequences of > > this. > > And you may be the first to opt-in ;-) Well I'm taking no position on the issue at hand, more so how we do the _policy_ bits, so who knows ;) Cheers, Lorenzo