From: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
To: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Documentation <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Workflows <workflows@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
"Jonathan Neuschäfer" <j.neuschaefer@gmx.net>,
"Fox Foster" <fox@tardis.ed.ac.uk>,
"Federico Vaga" <federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it>,
"Stephen Rothwell" <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
"Konstantin Ryabitsev" <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better known the details" phrase
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:17:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e8a42b9a-7c0f-446a-bdc7-ac1a04b12a5b@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com>
On 8/26/25 9:48 PM, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> Management style docs writes on people under a manager, where they know
> the details better than the manager himself. Reword it so that it would be
> less confusing to non-native English speakers.
>
> Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> ---
> Changes since v1 [1]:
>
> - Reword the confusing phrase (Konstantin)
>
> [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-doc/20250826003437.7695-2-bagasdotme@gmail.com/
>
> Documentation/process/management-style.rst | 4 ++--
> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst
> index dfbc69bf49d435..bb7a69e34ef180 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst
> @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ actually true.
> The name of the game is to **avoid** having to make a decision. In
> particular, if somebody tells you "choose (a) or (b), we really need you
> to decide on this", you're in trouble as a manager. The people you
> -manage had better know the details better than you, so if they come to
> +manage most likely know the details better than you, so if they come to
Reviewed-by: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
although I would have said
+manage should know the details better than you, so if they come to
Anyway, thanks for the better wording.
> you for a technical decision, you're screwed. You're clearly not
> competent to make that decision for them.
>
> @@ -115,7 +115,7 @@ sure as hell shouldn't encourage them by promising them that what they
> work on will be included. Make them at least think twice before they
> embark on a big endeavor.
>
> -Remember: they'd better know more about the details than you do, and
> +Remember: they know the details better than you do, and
> they usually already think they have the answer to everything. The best
> thing you can do as a manager is not to instill confidence, but rather a
> healthy dose of critical thinking on what they do.
>
> base-commit: ee9a6691935490dc39605882b41b9452844d5e4e
--
~Randy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-27 5:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-27 4:48 Bagas Sanjaya
2025-08-27 5:17 ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2025-08-27 5:41 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-27 9:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-27 11:28 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-27 12:48 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-27 13:05 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-27 13:49 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-27 14:10 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-28 4:12 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2025-08-28 4:18 ` Randy Dunlap
2025-08-28 23:08 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2025-08-28 23:19 ` Laurent Pinchart
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