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From: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>
To: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Documentation <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Workflows <workflows@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Jonathan Neuschäfer" <j.neuschaefer@gmx.net>,
	"Fox Foster" <fox@tardis.ed.ac.uk>,
	"Federico Vaga" <federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it>,
	"Stephen Rothwell" <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	"Konstantin Ryabitsev" <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better known the details" phrase
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 22:17:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e8a42b9a-7c0f-446a-bdc7-ac1a04b12a5b@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com>



On 8/26/25 9:48 PM, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> Management style docs writes on people under a manager, where they know
> the details better than the manager himself. Reword it so that it would be
> less confusing to non-native English speakers.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> ---
>  Changes since v1 [1]:
> 
>    - Reword the confusing phrase (Konstantin)
> 
>  [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-doc/20250826003437.7695-2-bagasdotme@gmail.com/
> 
>  Documentation/process/management-style.rst | 4 ++--
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst
> index dfbc69bf49d435..bb7a69e34ef180 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst
> @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ actually true.
>  The name of the game is to **avoid** having to make a decision.  In
>  particular, if somebody tells you "choose (a) or (b), we really need you
>  to decide on this", you're in trouble as a manager.  The people you
> -manage had better know the details better than you, so if they come to
> +manage most likely know the details better than you, so if they come to

Reviewed-by: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>

although I would have said
+manage should know the details better than you, so if they come to

Anyway, thanks for the better wording.

>  you for a technical decision, you're screwed.  You're clearly not
>  competent to make that decision for them.
>  
> @@ -115,7 +115,7 @@ sure as hell shouldn't encourage them by promising them that what they
>  work on will be included.  Make them at least think twice before they
>  embark on a big endeavor.
>  
> -Remember: they'd better know more about the details than you do, and
> +Remember: they know the details better than you do, and
>  they usually already think they have the answer to everything.  The best
>  thing you can do as a manager is not to instill confidence, but rather a
>  healthy dose of critical thinking on what they do.
> 
> base-commit: ee9a6691935490dc39605882b41b9452844d5e4e

-- 
~Randy

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-27  5:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-27  4:48 Bagas Sanjaya
2025-08-27  5:17 ` Randy Dunlap [this message]
2025-08-27  5:41 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-27  9:33   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-27 11:28     ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-27 12:48       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-27 13:05         ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-27 13:49           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-27 14:10           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-08-28  4:12     ` Bagas Sanjaya
2025-08-28  4:18       ` Randy Dunlap
2025-08-28 23:08         ` Bagas Sanjaya
2025-08-28 23:19           ` Laurent Pinchart

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