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Tue, 12 Nov 2024 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([38.175.170.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e9e14a558f8ab-3a6f984856csm23083155ab.44.2024.11.12.09.45.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Nov 2024 09:45:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:45:22 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation/CoC: spell out enforcement for unacceptable behaviors To: Mark Brown Cc: gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, corbet@lwn.net, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds , Miguel Ojeda , Dave Hansen , Steven Rostedt , Dan Williams , Dave Airlie , DRI Development , Shuah Khan References: <20241108161853.12325-1-skhan@linuxfoundation.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Shuah Khan In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/12/24 07:43, Mark Brown wrote: > On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 02:50:45PM -0700, Shuah Khan wrote: >> On 11/11/24 13:07, Simona Vetter wrote: > >>> Personal take, but I think a forced public apology as the primary or at >>> least initial coc enforcement approach is one of the worst. > > ... > >> This document isn't intended to be a complete summary of all actions the >> CoC takes in response to reports. There is a lot of back and forth with >> the individuals to bring about change before the CoC asks for an apology. > > I guess it would be good to explicitly call out (possibly in an > incremental change on top of this one) that the specific enforcement > steps here are examples, and are mainly for cases where a more > mediation/education based approach fails or extreme cases where they're > inappropriate? Neither the existing document nor the current change > make that explicit (at least to my reading), it's clear from for example > the reports that are sent that the existing practice is to try to use > those approaches first but I'm not sure that people would realise that > from this document alone. Thank you Mark. I will add more content to the document distilling the discussion on this thread in the interest of transparency. thanks, -- Shuah