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From: Nikolai Kondrashov <Nikolai.Kondrashov@redhat.com>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: workflows@vger.kernel.org, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	David Gow <davidgow@google.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Darrick J . Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	kunit-dev@googlegroups.com, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Veronika Kabatova <vkabatov@redhat.com>,
	CKI <cki-project@redhat.com>,
	kernelci@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] MAINTAINERS: Introduce V: field for required tests
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2023 14:09:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdf83c60-b89d-42b5-8f47-95a187693ac3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7a4a71a2-cca3-401e-a7ad-16ee47812900@sirena.org.uk>

On 11/15/23 22:14, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2023 at 07:43:49PM +0200, Nikolai Kondrashov wrote:
> 
>> Introduce a new tag, 'Tested-with:', documented in the
>> Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst file. The tag is expected
>> to reference the documented test suites, similarly to the 'V:' field,
>> and to certify that the submitter executed the test suite on the change,
>> and that it passed.
> 
> This doesn't feel like it fits so well with git based flows - generally
> the tags end up in git one way or another so there'll be a strong
> tendency for this to end up getting added for one version and then
> carried forward to the next version.  The way the tooling is at present
> it doesn't really feel like there's a good point at which to insert the
> tag.
> 
> I'm not sure exactly what'd be better though.

Yeah, I agree that's a bit of a problem. One that only automated 
tools/testing/CI could fully solve. Cough, git forges, cough.

OTOH, once you managed to run an automated suite once, it's much easier to do 
it again, and most of the time developers *want* their code to work and pass 
the tests (it's much easier than manual testing after all). So it's likely 
they will keep running them for new revisions, even though they might not 
notice they simply reused the previously-added Tested-with: tag.

Still, one way to make this better could be requiring a URL pointing at test 
results to follow the test suite name in the Tested-with: tag. Then the 
maintainer could check that they're indeed fresh.

This would be however getting way ahead of ourselves and, with the current 
(average) state of testing infra, hard to do. Perhaps sometime later.

For now, I think this could already go a long way towards having more (and 
better) testing.

Nick


  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-16 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-15 17:43 [RFC PATCH 0/3] " Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-15 17:43 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-15 18:31   ` Joe Perches
2023-11-15 20:01     ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16 12:00     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-15 20:14   ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16 12:09     ` Nikolai Kondrashov [this message]
2023-11-15 20:38   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2023-11-16 12:14     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-16 13:26       ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16 13:52         ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-20 12:40       ` Gustavo Padovan
2023-11-20 13:31         ` Mark Brown
2023-11-22 17:41         ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-16 13:20   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-11-16 13:41     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-16 13:43       ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-11-16 13:59     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2023-11-16 14:21     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-11-20 13:30   ` Ricardo Cañuelo
2023-11-20 20:51     ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-20 22:27       ` Mark Brown
2023-11-21  6:04         ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-21 10:37           ` David Gow
2023-11-21 13:27           ` Mark Brown
2023-11-22 16:16             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-21 18:24       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-21 18:02     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-21 10:36   ` David Gow
2023-11-21 20:48     ` Mark Brown
2023-11-22 17:19     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-22  1:08   ` kernel test robot
2023-11-15 17:43 ` [PATCH 2/3] MAINTAINERS: Require kvm-xfstests smoke for ext4 Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-15 18:58   ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-11-16 16:33     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-17  7:09     ` Chandan Babu R
2023-11-19 22:54       ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-11-22 14:44         ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-22 16:17           ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-11-22 17:44             ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-22 20:51             ` Dave Chinner
2023-11-15 17:43 ` [PATCH 3/3] MAINTAINERS: Require kunit core tests for framework changes Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-11-20 18:48   ` Daniel Latypov
2023-11-22 17:38     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:02 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] MAINTAINERS: Introduce V: entry for tests Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:02   ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/10] get_maintainer: Survive querying missing files Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:55     ` Joe Perches
2023-12-06 16:16       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2024-01-31 13:55       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:02   ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/10] MAINTAINERS: Introduce V: entry for tests Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:58     ` Joe Perches
2023-12-06 16:21       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-06  8:12     ` David Gow
2023-12-06 16:23       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-06 16:38         ` Joe Perches
2023-12-06 16:57           ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:02   ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/10] MAINTAINERS: Propose kunit core tests for framework changes Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/10] docs: submitting-patches: Introduce Tested-with: Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:59     ` Jonathan Corbet
2023-12-05 19:07       ` Joe Perches
2023-12-06 10:07         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-12-06 16:46         ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-06 16:31       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/10] checkpatch: Propose tests to execute Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/10] MAINTAINERS: Support referencing test docs in V: Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-06  8:03     ` David Gow
2023-12-06 16:54       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/10] MAINTAINERS: Propose kvm-xfstests smoke for ext4 Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/10] docs: tests: Document kunit in general Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/10] MAINTAINERS: Propose kunit tests for regmap Nikolai Kondrashov
2023-12-05 18:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/10] MAINTAINERS: Add proposal strength to V: entries Nikolai Kondrashov
2024-01-08 10:42   ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/10] MAINTAINERS: Introduce V: entry for tests Nikolai Kondrashov

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