From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AC6C433F5 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 20:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229451AbiJDUGg (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:06:36 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:43096 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229566AbiJDUGf (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:06:35 -0400 Received: from wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8234::]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 488516B67F; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 13:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a02:8108:963f:de38:eca4:7d19:f9a2:22c5]; authenticated by wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1ofoBR-0003Wn-EX; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 22:06:29 +0200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 22:06:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.3.1 Content-Language: en-US, de-DE To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: "Artem S. Tashkinov" , ksummit , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" References: <20221004175354.bfvg3vhfqch35ib5@meerkat.local> From: Thorsten Leemhuis Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" In-Reply-To: <20221004175354.bfvg3vhfqch35ib5@meerkat.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1664913993;39cff402; X-HE-SMSGID: 1ofoBR-0003Wn-EX Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On 04.10.22 19:53, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 01:19:24PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> >> TLDR: Core Linux kernel developers are unhappy with the state of >> bugzilla.kernel.org; to improve things I plan to change a few important >> aspects of its configuration, unless somebody comes up with better ideas >> to tackle current problems: (1) Create a catch-all product making it >> totally obvious to submitters that likely nobody will look into the >> ticket. (2) Remove or hide all products & components where the subsystem >> didn't fully commit to look into newly submitted reports. (3) Change the >> text on the front page to make it clear that most kernel bug reports >> need to be sent by mail. > > Here's my counter-plan, which builds on top of yours. Thx for working that out, much appreciated. You already mentioned the hardest thing and others already raised a few few aspects that sprung to my mind. That for now leaves one big question in my head: Your plan would afaics mean that we invest further into a software abandoned by its upstream and already becoming more and more of a maintenance burden. That investment would also further increase our dependency on that software by establishing workflows that rely on it. Is that really wise at this point? Wouldn't it be better to spend that time and effort to build something better that is more future proof? Ciao, Thorsten