From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de [80.237.130.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 756022C11EC; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 12:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=80.237.130.52 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1761482553; cv=none; b=hF+cg/MqzpSc29RrumNLRHLTzTjyCSyGVxOmsH9hutv81DAOn5F+NHk8Fa+3EwhmPLgp9pDbF2eoiEsXgC56IdOZ+YP3keh5N9ZfqZYuM2GmSxz/OeCcJ6kwg0wqLQQAUv483OKrCJO3E0j5A7ZGWCkOnxBbq1p2YgDyYOa+u8k= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1761482553; c=relaxed/simple; bh=j11Gc/5QYiUy6F+P2RyEr/2EB+XN5KyxRXrWVYzN3t0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=C18BgROYjQGpprHsUzv3Gpf+hTPK/jLeVnfHlYYt1I5iAG2OSjvGAvwvLyWr2HSjZbMwCGZ52XAgLRqUWvpwxP04Tls4g1XI+vjfHd6olGSm52LIdUL6SYfu03WyUU9HffNzSuOIhoHKzMoz350MfYi+OGebTm9cJw4H00XRWE8= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=leemhuis.info; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=leemhuis.info; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=leemhuis.info header.i=@leemhuis.info header.b=dxWmeTjd; arc=none smtp.client-ip=80.237.130.52 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=leemhuis.info Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=leemhuis.info Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=leemhuis.info header.i=@leemhuis.info header.b="dxWmeTjd" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leemhuis.info; s=he214686; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:Subject:Cc:To:From:From: Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:In-Reply-To: References; bh=+oSFmLCLJ2XeD/SLV19HCOuUmPh+XxTv83L0oJR/kUU=; t=1761482551; x=1761914551; b=dxWmeTjda+jjl2pCaR3qB/GCv4fs1xC0xbQUtz4y06QXBX89+QRzZwm7GZ0PS 2KPt7XO6Ajap2JU3csRU2vBJ97LHxmkWdDVCIkGzIiHhgK2T9Cl5ujFp8gw2iLuDAAlO1pXQBI0KS qI7NpBm1JQ3qLc0w3RXCBhZVwi9YGPXjagCSjCAp4xCUs0Vev+1EJ7qYt4zh7cipJuNEt0d8uXFvK vaeYmPkVVlaoZlUu0oSav752YlgB9gYugtRaPowyjiDaXAVpGzkCnTZ0FnrWZFsxoXGEXdLQIWsh3 oxN3i0O3w/3sqNGghprEqHf6rSJ25Ndn8Y/oCA2C3I04rTH3Nw==; Received: from [2a02:8108:8984:1d00:a8ad:ebd4:6fc6:160] (helo=luggage.fritz.box); authenticated by wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_X25519__RSA_PSS_RSAE_SHA256__AES_256_GCM:256) id 1vD04l-001mX6-2O; Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:42:23 +0100 From: Thorsten Leemhuis To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, regressions@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: [PATCH v1 04/30] docs: reporting-issues: add proper appendix Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:55 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.51.0 In-Reply-To: References: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1761482551;009d26c6; X-HE-SMSGID: 1vD04l-001mX6-2O Turn the "Why some bugs remain unfixed and some report are ignored" section into a proper appendix while improving it slightly. Signed-off-by: Thorsten Leemhuis --- .../admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst | 102 +++++++++--------- 1 file changed, 54 insertions(+), 48 deletions(-) diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst index 9676ba85e1b73c..745e698cb6be8b 100644 --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst @@ -1693,60 +1693,66 @@ for the subsystem where the issue seems to have its roots; CC the mailing list for the subsystem as well as the stable mailing list (stable@vger.kernel.org). -Why some issues won't get any reaction or remain unfixed after being reported -============================================================================= +Appendix: additional background information +=========================================== -When reporting a problem to the Linux developers, be aware only 'issues of high -priority' (regressions, security issues, severe problems) are definitely going -to get resolved. The maintainers or if all else fails Linus Torvalds himself -will make sure of that. They and the other kernel developers will fix a lot of -other issues as well. But be aware that sometimes they can't or won't help; and -sometimes there isn't even anyone to send a report to. +.. _unfixedbugs_repiapdx: -This is best explained with kernel developers that contribute to the Linux -kernel in their spare time. Quite a few of the drivers in the kernel were -written by such programmers, often because they simply wanted to make their -hardware usable on their favorite operating system. +Why some bugs remain unfixed and some report are ignored +-------------------------------------------------------- + +When reporting a problem to the Linux developers, be aware that they are only +obliged to fix regressions, security issues, and severe problems. Developers, +maintainers, or, if all else fails, Linus Torvalds himself will make sure of +that. They will fix a lot of other issues as well, but sometimes they can't or +won't help -- and sometimes there isn't even anyone to send a report to. + +This situation is best explained using kernel developers that contribute to the +Linux kernel in their spare time. Quite a few of the drivers in the kernel were +written by such programmers; often they simply wanted to make the +hardware they owned usable on their favorite operating system. These programmers most of the time will happily fix problems other people -report. But nobody can force them to do, as they are contributing voluntarily. - -Then there are situations where such developers really want to fix an issue, -but can't: sometimes they lack hardware programming documentation to do so. -This often happens when the publicly available docs are superficial or the -driver was written with the help of reverse engineering. - -Sooner or later spare time developers will also stop caring for the driver. -Maybe their test hardware broke, got replaced by something more fancy, or is so -old that it's something you don't find much outside of computer museums -anymore. Sometimes developer stops caring for their code and Linux at all, as -something different in their life became way more important. In some cases -nobody is willing to take over the job as maintainer – and nobody can be forced -to, as contributing to the Linux kernel is done on a voluntary basis. Abandoned -drivers nevertheless remain in the kernel: they are still useful for people and -removing would be a regression. +report. But nobody can force them to do so, as they are contributing +voluntarily. + +There are also situations where such developers would like to fix issues, +but can't: They might lack programming documentation to do so or hardware to +test. The former can happen when the publicly available docs are superficial or +when a driver was written with the help of reverse engineering. + +Sooner or later, spare-time developers usually stop caring for the driver. +Maybe their test hardware broke, was replaced by something more fancy, or +became so old that it is something you don't find much outside of computer +museums anymore. Other times developers also stop caring when +something different in life becomes more important to them. Then sometimes +nobody is willing to take over the job as maintainer -- and nobody else can be +forced to, as contributing is voluntary. The code nevertheless often stays +around, as it is useful for people; removing it would also cause a regression, +which is not allowed in Linux. The situation is not that different with developers that are paid for their -work on the Linux kernel. Those contribute most changes these days. But their -employers sooner or later also stop caring for their code or make its -programmer focus on other things. Hardware vendors for example earn their money -mainly by selling new hardware; quite a few of them hence are not investing -much time and energy in maintaining a Linux kernel driver for something they -stopped selling years ago. Enterprise Linux distributors often care for a -longer time period, but in new versions often leave support for old and rare -hardware aside to limit the scope. Often spare time contributors take over once -a company orphans some code, but as mentioned above: sooner or later they will -leave the code behind, too. - -Priorities are another reason why some issues are not fixed, as maintainers -quite often are forced to set those, as time to work on Linux is limited. -That's true for spare time or the time employers grant their developers to -spend on maintenance work on the upstream kernel. Sometimes maintainers also -get overwhelmed with reports, even if a driver is working nearly perfectly. To -not get completely stuck, the programmer thus might have no other choice than -to prioritize issue reports and reject some of them. - -But don't worry too much about all of this, a lot of drivers have active +work on the upstream Linux kernel. Those contribute the most changes these days. +But their employers set the priorities. And those sooner or later stop caring +for some code or make their +employees focus on other things. Hardware vendors, for example, earn their money +mainly by selling new hardware -- they thus often are not much interested in +investing much time and energy in maintaining a Linux kernel driver for a chip +they stopped selling years ago. Enterprise Linux distributors often care for a +longer time period, but in new versions might set support for old and rare +hardware aside to limit the scope, too. Often spare-time contributors take over +once employed developers orphan some code, but as mentioned earlier: Sooner or +later they will usually leave the code behind, too. + +Priorities are another reason why some issues are not fixed, as developers +quite often are forced to set those: The spare-time of volunteers or the time +employers allot for upstream Linux kernel work is often limited. Sometimes +developers are also flooded with good and bad reports, even if a driver is +working well. To +not get completely stuck, the programmers might have no other choice than +to prioritize bug reports and ignore some. + +But do not worry too much about all of this, a lot of drivers have active maintainers who are quite interested in fixing as many issues as possible. -- 2.51.0