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8mT2Eh9SkH+YVOmaKsajgZgrBxA7fWmGoxXswEVxJIFj3vW7yNc0C5HaUdYa5iGOMs4kg2ht4s7yy7NRQuh7BifWjo6BQ6k4S1H+6axZucxhSV1L6zN9d+lr3Xo/vy1unzA== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.3 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Tue, 2026-01-13 at 13:43 -0500, Sasha Levin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 10:20:44AM -0800, > dan.j.williams@intel.com=C2=A0wrote: [...] > > So a simple rule of "generally you should be able to demonstrate > > the ability to substantively review a contribution of similar > > complexity before expecting the kernel community to engage in > > earnest" mitigates the asymmetric threat of AI contributions *and* > > contributors that have not built-up enough trust capital with their > > upstream maintainer. >=20 > Looking at recent history (v6.12..v6.18) we had 1902 authors (a third > of overall contributors) who contributed a single commit. Out of > those 1902, only 177 have a Reviewed-by tag pointing to them. >=20 > With a rule like the above, 1700+ contributors would have not been > able to send their patch in. It's not just that. Even today Reviewed-by: doesn't always mean the subject of the tag actually understood it. We do see a lot of patches (particularly drivers from companies) that come to the lists with fully formed reviewed-by tags and no backing record. Trying to institute a reviewed-by requirement would drastically exacerbate this and, even worse, produce a large uptick in pseudo reviews from people trying to get the tag to submit. Speaking as a drive by committer with quite a body of work, the worst projects to come to are those with artificial worthiness metrics (like n reviews or stars or github badges or whatever). Even if you can be bothered to get over the hump, whatever you did is usually irrelevant to the patch you want to submit. The best indication that a committer understood what they were touching should be in the change log. If they understand the system under patch, they should be able to explain clearly why the patch is needed and what its effects are. Regards, James