From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D0231DE4E7; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753900162; cv=none; b=D5wTK3silASK8ivRBTljAqfWRscgteyXE1NRz8uMFK9OGoyJTWnDNFV81ZCsoIMVxv7qK/S7hC3lx0ox0wn/2xW0S0sKcnjRQzG20yAkJJB2OcOt4XCtUajKax8aYbz4hiUDjD7p5HmZclmuJasAIZjQtC++/LKj5alJe5llGfo= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753900162; c=relaxed/simple; bh=VBXH58C+eg63hc0NJ0PJEvas9hinpXcnOplDom8r77g=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=mjtQ2LZgNkMtAmsMsdh5PVtQoGLzxMzTtztRTn3Ymen2Q5I2DdV1AippNe3wAeHpXy5YrWluicYZ2BRcRN2l7RuLifQsNSXCH2N3AesYDNlRFf4FKYeMgXRGvGvxWPqXTwAYN6d2uZkipFOb0aKRmSECl19QZZ+aUVClVceUa0E= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=gYtAi/8s; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="gYtAi/8s" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 63EF6C4CEE3; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:29:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1753900161; bh=VBXH58C+eg63hc0NJ0PJEvas9hinpXcnOplDom8r77g=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=gYtAi/8sIE6PzS9dLRwxTZm2Cq8D+cIxHo1nPyfNX5+h6gZwvuJiPgM7bDHTfCQyo 7kPWtCN4iMzXS5b0TQ/WZLkgvi4J6h3KepmH+MUpIZZij8+pmRa7gwx6kv6//oAAXq 4oqeaiGnqPzJQURNU5yLK/qX3Bjx3sGN86OPFKR8+Re5PGwtvdFhRYlIbyD8MNaekB NoIf2UaZ+WQWp2VNUHasq0XjDKqk6mwH8fCxWlQfEv4KqVbHagPNbo9c5DhafyYwr/ TxUgvzwV7Sd1ifWFKvk7xzg+ohyCQFvMI9XsJ8QO3rlTbkc8k0Grq0Q+3GOVSZBsV/ dvEUgMi8aj9hg== Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 14:29:19 -0400 From: Sasha Levin To: Al Viro Cc: Kees Cook , corbet@lwn.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org, josh@joshtriplett.org, konstantin@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] agents: add core development references Message-ID: References: <20250727195802.2222764-1-sashal@kernel.org> <20250727195802.2222764-3-sashal@kernel.org> <202507271937.EC44B39@keescook> <202507272203.BECE244@keescook> <202507272310.FCB96F5E93@keescook> <20250730173528.GN222315@ZenIV> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20250730173528.GN222315@ZenIV> On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 06:35:28PM +0100, Al Viro wrote: >On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 12:25:41PM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote: > >> Critical Requirements: >> >> * License: ALL code MUST be GPL-2.0 only (see COPYING) >> * Signed-off-by: Agents MUST NOT add Signed-off-by tags >> (Only humans can legally certify code submission rights) >> * Attribution: Agents MUST add Co-developed-by tag: >> Co-developed-by: $AGENT_NAME $AGENT_MODEL $AGENT_VERSION >> Examples: >> - Co-developed-by: Claude claude-3-opus-20240229 >> - Co-developed-by: GitHub-Copilot GPT-4 v1.0.0 > > * for any patch there must be some entity capable of usefully > answering questions about that patch. Legal certification > be damned, there must be somebody able to handle active > questioning. > >And no, it's not the same as with human submitters. If entity >A sends a patch to maintainer B, who passes it along and gets >questions/feedback regarding that patch, B might have to resort >to passing the questions to A, to confirm their understanding >of the situation. And from what I've seen, LLM tend to do >very badly in such cases. > >IOW, defending any agent-originated patch falls entirely upon >the human "co-developer". IMO that is a critical requirement. I agree. Elsewhere in the thread I suggested that a maintainer should be able to require having tool generated patches come with a Reviewed-by tag from a "trusted reviewer" (similar to the guidelines we have for academic researches). This way you could at least have a human you trust be part of the loop until you trust the author of those tool generated patches. -- Thanks, Sasha