From: Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>
To: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Cc: workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
regressions@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH v1 05/30] docs: reporting-issues: outline why reporting is complicated
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2025 13:41:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a6704ef5b3a8dcbaf645ddb5407e8f13553502b0.1761481839.git.linux@leemhuis.info> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1761481839.git.linux@leemhuis.info>
Replace the closing words with a section that describes why reporting
Linux kernel bugs is more complicated than in other FLOSS projects.
Signed-off-by: Thorsten Leemhuis <linux@leemhuis.info>
---
.../admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst | 67 ++++++++++++++++---
1 file changed, 59 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst
index 745e698cb6be8b..2629fde3aa4b8f 100644
--- a/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst
+++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/reporting-issues.rst
@@ -1756,14 +1756,65 @@ But do not worry too much about all of this, a lot of drivers have active
maintainers who are quite interested in fixing as many issues as possible.
-Closing words
-=============
-
-Compared with other Free/Libre & Open Source Software it's hard to report
-issues to the Linux kernel developers: the length and complexity of this
-document and the implications between the lines illustrate that. But that's how
-it is for now. The main author of this text hopes documenting the state of the
-art will lay some groundwork to improve the situation over time.
+Why reporting Linux kernel bugs is somewhat complicated
+-------------------------------------------------------
+
+The Linux kernel's development model differs from typical Open Source projects
+in a few important aspects. Four of those complicate bug reporting:
+
+1. Developers are free to solely focus on the latest mainline codebase.
+
+2. The 'stable team' maintains the stable and longterm kernel series, but is not
+ allowed to fix many bugs just there if they happen in mainline, too.
+
+3. There is no central bug tracker.
+
+4. Most kernels used in Linux distributions are totally unsuitable for reporting
+ bugs upstream.
+
+Due to the first aspect, some of the developers ignore or react coldly to
+reports about bugs in, say, Linux 6.1 when 6.2-rc1 is already out.
+
+The combination of the first and the second aspect is why some of the
+developers are unwilling to look into reports with stable or longterm kernels:
+the problem might never have happened in the code they work on, for example
+because the stable team did something wrong between 6.1.1 and 6.1.2.
+
+The stable team due to those two aspects is often in a similar but opposite
+situation when it comes to bugs reported using a kernel like 6.1.2: If that
+issue already happened in 6.1 and still happens in the latest mainline kernel,
+then it must be fixed there first. That is among the reasons why reporters in
+the end always have to check if mainline is affected, as the stable team often
+is the wrong point of contact, unless it is a series specific regression.
+
+There are various reasons why no central bug tracker exists. They, among others,
+were not a thing yet when Linux started, which is why reporting my email was
+the norm initially -- and still is, as quite a few developers prefer to handle
+all aspects of kernel development via email. Some, on the other hand, saw
+benefits in trackers and set up bugzilla.kernel.org, which due to the
+aforementioned aspect never became mandatory and has some problematic aspects;
+this is why it frequently does not even forward newly filed reports to the
+appropriate developers. Yet other developers prefer the comfort of Git forges
+for development and issue tracking; but subsystems use various forges, so those
+trackers are spread over the web.
+
+The fourth aspect is explained in the second point of the reference section
+already: Old codebases, modified sources, and add-ons lead to bugs that were
+fixed a long time ago already or never happened upstream in the first place.
+These are problems for many other software packaged by Linux distributions as
+well. But there it is usually a smaller problem, as the modifications and
+extensions distributors apply to the kernel are often much bigger and more
+dangerous; the kernel also changes way more quickly, is a lot more
+complex, and naturally more fragile. Due to these aspects, many developers
+expect reports to be based on fresh and vanilla kernels. Furthermore, most of
+them receive way more bug reports than they are able to handle, which is
+why they prioritize the ones that look more promising.
+
+Reporting a bug due to these and other unmentioned aspects is harder than in
+other Free/Libre & Open Source Software projects -- the complexity of this
+document proves that. But that is the state of affairs for now. The primary
+author of this text hopes documenting it will lay some groundwork to improve
+the situation over time.
..
--
2.51.0
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-26 12:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-26 12:41 [PATCH v1 00/30] docs: reporting-issues: rework Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v1 01/30] docs: reporting-issues: mention text is best viewed rendered Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-27 17:18 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-27 21:19 ` Randy Dunlap
2025-10-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v1 02/30] docs: reporting-issues: tweak the reference section intro Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-27 17:27 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v1 03/30] docs: reporting-issues: add conclusion to the step-by-step guide Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-27 17:29 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v1 04/30] docs: reporting-issues: add proper appendix Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-27 17:38 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:41 ` Thorsten Leemhuis [this message]
2025-10-27 17:44 ` [PATCH v1 05/30] docs: reporting-issues: outline why reporting is complicated Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v1 06/30] docs: reporting-issues: replace TLDR guide with more of an into Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-28 21:32 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v1 07/30] docs: reporting-issues: explain need for fresh vanilla kernel Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-28 21:40 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:41 ` [PATCH v1 08/30] docs: reporting-issues: add step about processing issues separately Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-28 21:42 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 09/30] docs: reporting-issues: tell users to check the kernel log Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-28 21:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 10/30] docs: reporting-issues: move 'check tainted flag' upwards Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-28 21:47 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 11/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve first tainted check Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 12/30] docs: reporting-issues: move 'check environment' upwards Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 13/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve environment check Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 14/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text about checking for existing issues Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 15/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on classifying the bug Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 16/30] docs: reporting-issues: add fast-track for regressions Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 17/30] docs: reporting-issues: move text on 'check MAINTAINERS file' upwards Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 18/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on looking up place to report Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 19/30] docs: reporting-issues: move text on 'check other places' upwards Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 20/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on check other places Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 21/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on backup et. al Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 22/30] docs: reporting-issues: move text on 'initial write-up' upwards Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 23/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on initial write-up Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 24/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on bug verification Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 25/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on non-regressions in stable Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 26/30] docs: reporting-issues: improve text on second search Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 27/30] docs: reporting-issues: make collecting files a separate step Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 28/30] docs: reporting-issues: separate steps for optimizing and submitting reports Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 29/30] docs: reporting-issues: separate steps for follow-up tasks Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-26 12:42 ` [PATCH v1 30/30] docs: reporting-issues: fix a few line breaks Thorsten Leemhuis
2025-10-27 17:16 ` [PATCH v1 00/30] docs: reporting-issues: rework Jonathan Corbet
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