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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
	 Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net>,  Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2026 08:17:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a60e0e566edbcbd70176045ae077176444ca25a9.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <611c4a95-cbf2-492c-a991-e54042cf226a@lucifer.local>

On Thu, 2026-01-08 at 11:56 +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 07, 2026 at 04:20:04PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 1/7/26 13:15, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > > Thinking LLMs are 'just another tool' is to say effectively that
> > > the kernel
> > > is immune from this. Which seems to me a silly position.
> > 
> > I had a good chat with Lorenzo on IRC. I had it in my head that he
> > wanted a really different document than the one I posted. After
> > talking,
> > it sounds like he had some much more modest changes in mind. I
> > caught
> > him at the end of his day, but I think he's planning to send out a
> > small
> > diff on top of what I posted so I can get a better idea of what he
> > wants
> > to see tweaked.
> 
> I enclose the suggested incremental change below.
> 
> Cheers, Lorenzo
> 
> ----8<----
> From ccefc4da6b929914c754c2f898b0eb17d7fb3ebd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00
> 2001
> From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:55:10 +0000
> Subject: [PATCH] suggestion
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/process/generated-content.rst | 8 ++++++++
>  1 file changed, 8 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/generated-content.rst
> b/Documentation/process/generated-content.rst
> index 917d6e93c66d..1423ed9d971d 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/generated-content.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/generated-content.rst
> @@ -95,3 +95,11 @@ choose how they handle the contribution. For
> example, they might:
>   - Ask the submitter to explain in more detail about the
> contribution
>     so that the maintainer can feel comfortable that the submitter
> fully
>     understands how the code works.
> +
> +If tools permit you to generate series entirely automatically,
> expect
> +additional scrutiny.
> +
> +As with the output of any tooling,


>  maintainers will not tolerate 'slop' -

Just delete this phrase (partly because it's very tied to a non-
standard and very recent use of the word slop, but mostly because it
doesn't add anything actionable to the reader).

> +you are expected to understand and to be able to defend everything
> you 
> +submit. If you are unable to do so, maintainers may choose to reject
> your
> +series outright.

And I thing the addition would apply to any tool used to generate a
patch set whether AI or not.

Regards,

James


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-08 13:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 20:51 Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-07 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 19:18   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 21:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 21:58       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 11:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:19           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 18:30             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 22:39       ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 10:32         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 23:50       ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-08 10:29         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:43           ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 11:53             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:06       ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-08 10:03         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:20       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 10:14         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:56         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:17           ` James Bottomley [this message]
2026-01-08 13:56             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 15:58               ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 16:35                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:10                   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:23                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:50                       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 20:14                         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09  5:42                           ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09  7:28                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:28                               ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:35                                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09  7:48                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 11:00                             ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 11:25                               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:39                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:48                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:03                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:05                                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-12 15:06                                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 18:34                               ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 19:08                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 20:45                       ` Jens Axboe
2026-01-08 21:04                         ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-09  5:29                           ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09  7:54                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09  8:54                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-01-09 15:51                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:55                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:07                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:33                                   ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-10 15:25                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-01-10 15:52                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-10 16:02                                   ` James Bottomley
2026-01-10 16:07                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12 19:02                                     ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-08 14:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:24               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:35                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:48               ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-08 15:01                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 16:42           ` Sasha Levin
2026-01-08 17:40             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:27             ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 19:28               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:30                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:30                 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-09 16:37                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:16             ` Dave Hansen
     [not found]       ` <42192F04-2C46-4734-8CF6-DEA8739989C3@hohndel.org>
2026-01-08 10:40         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:41       ` Andrew Lunn
2026-01-08 13:53         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08  0:00 ` SeongJae Park
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-14 18:35 Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:08 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-11-14 22:52   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:17 ` SeongJae Park
2025-11-14 22:53   ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 23:19 ` dan.j.williams
2025-11-15 15:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-15 19:05   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 19:07     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 23:30       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-16 12:38         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-11-16 15:25           ` Kees Cook
2025-11-16 16:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 16:55               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-12-23 17:10                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-23 20:56                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-24 15:41                     ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-24 16:23                       ` Simon Glass
2025-11-16 16:01           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-17 19:13         ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-15 19:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 20:10 ` Randy Dunlap

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