From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 716121FC7FC; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731422633; cv=none; b=qFkHaOaHWMEUvBuTPitWkoCL61Tm/pknbkfxq6xU6cISpUl2aku5tB0tnEIAqTm3Dx3PCyADUigklrjH+hloCAdzHXhesiZJAUFmvBOrstOADeRBeGp99jU9cZiMf2Dl3Ao1ts+T7tXWBrz49m/cwioayLvoV1ZGzQUHm9wc3do= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1731422633; c=relaxed/simple; bh=kw9PSI7QedEulYVI11SbsxMgAcTXzcxHyTmZr0prhlw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=Vb6gfLF/JIDNpDRPl03jZbSNGhPla2jx1S5qr/AhPgTn/dmOQorQ+hp1YnLteEohS46DXospQbD70TfLHstTyY6romJ8zlwuRJz1Uy42ohtYbD9sfD/b2XuJnanzc/MmV0Aix6KZeYqW0BdGEo1WBQZryKUEoiomQp0byrArCpQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=DC7CQaQg; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="DC7CQaQg" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B8E8C4CECD; Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:43:52 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1731422632; bh=kw9PSI7QedEulYVI11SbsxMgAcTXzcxHyTmZr0prhlw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=DC7CQaQgDa/xmq6/Dp004RKRisUHFKn+DWD0nrQoaF2vMnNE92V4Kuc6JNbgC3ikw 7QaXm+DX/lMjZ80+rCopcbcH63J9vlOaWPHcWUUwfNaVmM/Cr1VYSrVT1XaaqPl7N9 RIhzN6nRgs6jGiTfzJEnTUES/Ig9UE19L5Tb/JrYX7p6B1pG8O4eEOd4IhTj8qluyk 2UBmQcMLDSnnslUYriREzN8Xdv0E/iAnYFx+LhM7jhcSQfKy9Y+74ByqczV+OaW973 3xRGXKiJ32ViTI/yknpFnME5wgEETVzXieOwc+HyA0Rk2Mto1V6YDVpcBGNmMZe3Q4 3IXrBkyhwva+w== Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:43:49 +0000 From: Mark Brown To: Shuah Khan Cc: gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, corbet@lwn.net, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds , Miguel Ojeda , Dave Hansen , Steven Rostedt , Dan Williams , Dave Airlie , DRI Development Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation/CoC: spell out enforcement for unacceptable behaviors Message-ID: References: <20241108161853.12325-1-skhan@linuxfoundation.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oEgx+arnr/c9/sI3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Cookie: Editing is a rewording activity. --oEgx+arnr/c9/sI3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 11, 2024 at 02:50:45PM -0700, Shuah Khan wrote: > On 11/11/24 13:07, Simona Vetter wrote: > > Personal take, but I think a forced public apology as the primary or at > > least initial coc enforcement approach is one of the worst. =2E.. > This document isn't intended to be a complete summary of all actions the > CoC takes in response to reports. There is a lot of back and forth with > the individuals to bring about change before the CoC asks for an apology. I guess it would be good to explicitly call out (possibly in an incremental change on top of this one) that the specific enforcement steps here are examples, and are mainly for cases where a more mediation/education based approach fails or extreme cases where they're inappropriate? Neither the existing document nor the current change make that explicit (at least to my reading), it's clear from for example the reports that are sent that the existing practice is to try to use those approaches first but I'm not sure that people would realise that =66rom this document alone. --oEgx+arnr/c9/sI3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAABCgAdFiEEreZoqmdXGLWf4p/qJNaLcl1Uh9AFAmczaaUACgkQJNaLcl1U h9BMOQf/TKO41Kx6ClF6btlwqUwS6HBy07xNmbEeSwkwwc9CzqCOcpVMRQQUYnWC gFfzcPDfom0WWMuaL9nQ7A6+XXtCY/+1XRdaZSsYL81Hfz8d4KSSwHG61QogC0zO SNr4eLv9QcwiZO/9qOGAxe5dZvyYKLo20uC6FBP124WDYfTrBEzp9A2sdLR9VWxn cUxhiYhU9u6maX5UPiZFGlMN1Bco5LGg1ozWyuq+/LCYIFqhMKrsCq9JEoXcgDz2 NiYuNU/z6m3uGBY3DnKGILQ4SOEwVcEP0LIBEo7+FBWAlmGMLr0DoztAehQ81ANk WljNMC8ltIc08UlAayo1m6SsafUM5w== =CSNu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oEgx+arnr/c9/sI3--