From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDF1C433FE for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S235969AbiI2PsM (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:48:12 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:52740 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S236039AbiI2Prh (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:47:37 -0400 Received: from premium237-5.web-hosting.com (premium237-5.web-hosting.com [66.29.146.205]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1323911D0C8 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:47:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sladewatkins.net; s=default; h=To:References:Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rOFIEq0S0Dx55y93OJZ2axvhLBMAn64hF3lTQA7ocec=; b=OGMBcdZ3MXf9Cw8Mdg/YDR00IQ 7Pp4sb8OLyWNcsHelI/FwskJ6Rs2fu8qN1F2U6uAqe32i+9G06XzZPraa3HtuqiDA0jY1pg7br0yT zHkZV7vAbeJo/1bkiGSU0zJXH4vJ9lwuFyFaM5Mn7/bD/SA9Nnb9sopMT3A/vt8qeJ4wqek/ZMYNE crO+Bq52Z38eN00KczS7AGJWWNLW5mUcFK31y1p0k7ceCR+p9nufmcfUOGXVzsrSGhH9V3lRJBRA7 6avKQ2qiC0NaeJlFbgxf7UPTxRyD97QUKJAkdCrZR2aoPAswodXSpPnAjqvsOkJ6iSRl6ntw/5nLt h6gxyW3w==; Received: from pool-108-4-135-94.albyny.fios.verizon.net ([108.4.135.94]:63979 helo=smtpclient.apple) by premium237.web-hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.95) (envelope-from ) id 1oduvd-00GaOv-NC; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:54:21 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.1\)) Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" From: Slade Watkins In-Reply-To: <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:54:17 -0400 Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev , Thorsten Leemhuis , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <93a37d72-9a88-2eec-5125-9db3d67f5b65@gmx.com> <20220929130410.hxtmwmoogzkwcey7@meerkat.local> <7b427b41-9446-063d-3161-e43eb2e353f9@gmx.com> <20220929135325.4riz4ijva2vc7q5p@meerkat.local> <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.1) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - premium237.web-hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - vger.kernel.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sladewatkins.net X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: premium237.web-hosting.com: authenticated_id: srw@sladewatkins.net X-Authenticated-Sender: premium237.web-hosting.com: srw@sladewatkins.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-From-Rewrite: unmodified, already matched Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org Hey! Jumping in here to offer my input... > On Sep 29, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: >=20 > That leaves us with Bugzilla that no one wants to touch and some = people > actively want to delete altogether. In other words, no central place = to > report bugs or keep track of them. This is the current problem that seems to be appearing here. I get why = no one wants to touch it, but it doesn=E2=80=99t solve the problem.=20 As you said: > I've mentioned several times already that mailing lists are _even = worse_ > in terms of reporting issues. Developers get emails and simply ignore > them (for a multitude of reasons). It=E2=80=99s 100% true that emails get _buried_ as waves of them come in = (LKML itself gets hundreds upon hundreds a day, as I=E2=80=99m sure all = of you know) and it just isn=E2=80=99t something I personally see as = viable, especially for issues that may or may not be high priority. > Getting back to my first message in this discussion, >=20 > * Let's refresh all the components in Bugzilla > * Components may not have any people responsible for them at all. Bug > reporters will have to CC the people they are interested in. > * Let's subscribe the past six months of developers (using git commit = logs) > * Whoever wants to unsubscribe is free to do so. Not a terrible idea to me, though obviously, that=E2=80=99s up for = debate. >=20 > If not for bugzilla, let's use something more modern. I don't know any > comparable projects however. Trac is truly horrible. You cannot even > unsubscribe from bug reports. Maybe I've missed something. Discourse? > Not a bug tracker per se but can certainly work this way. Discourse probably isn=E2=80=99t the best fit here, in my opinion. Jira = and YouTrack are the only ones I personally know of that are similar to = Bugzilla, although as far as I know, they aren=E2=80=99t open source... Best, -srw