From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A359F47A6B; Sun, 16 Nov 2025 15:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1763306747; cv=none; b=N+i0MZLcjG2pCTqL8yPefSUKFjUKE99CnT7a0UA9IWVxv9ja4i6HSS8lTBLrPvZCnjgQUsstUNG3FS2wEFSiPsqYYwd4q+thfAwMmCJksbvbqeGtdIlzuXZOarUPzZN1Pqh6xWNYYVp5Ub7ssUIyEMU0/L8raxJnzyylkOm2SZs= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1763306747; c=relaxed/simple; bh=A+tbxqvyHtOMEbfWUyW4I6ppG86vNZ0vjjUxeCQhH/Q=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VEoUl4+cm484o9qCCaTQGAN6vaEWyPGS9gzupt7tENjyU6zncTQPx9TGVQ97QTMp4EjMmOb5iokwlyF/OVgjaaJLDiYZomvcYkCKnCuovHYOhKO/33GZJIfmkAWyzzyfUIeRMNzw6cUs5Y7Kbh5gA/vYDni/WCcne63ze28HAA0= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=YqKygCyw; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="YqKygCyw" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31F93C4CEFB; Sun, 16 Nov 2025 15:25:46 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1763306746; bh=A+tbxqvyHtOMEbfWUyW4I6ppG86vNZ0vjjUxeCQhH/Q=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=YqKygCywAj6dqL/2i/SoDbqSo6TywirIqm3gDUoiH9BklBrOkT7L+c7Sc0aI3t2MV TM+y5Z1L8qNsMbYG4JtCafHewTpkMiuwKbdvCyd69RTLtipE3fxVLULe9kpq5LX/aC EiAEnqn/MSl/UW8cq5eIUyTMXGNGnJaC4tw/PtrWdOnfoiQdHgLlYdQq8TJVD7P9wK 2WP4vmvOEeOOq56ENaUt+44p/7O/u9ov70tW/JHJIch9du0jsUkH3tW8WCyTCN7NxC 1mGN0gDNiMllZNs+dHyog3Azo+1uQZ8cAGXl6xn0FDd/tIrpcqLFrcggn08vrrP48G s6ags1V+LhkXw== Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2025 07:25:46 -0800 From: Kees Cook To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Steven Rostedt , Thomas Gleixner CC: Dave Hansen , dave@sr71.net, Shuah Khan , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Miguel Ojeda , NeilBrown , Lorenzo Stoakes , Dan Williams , Theodore Ts'o , Sasha Levin , Jonathan Corbet , Vlastimil Babka , workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re=3A_=5BPATCH=5D_=5Bv3=5D_Documentation=3A_Provid?= =?US-ASCII?Q?e_guidelines_for_tool-generated_content?= User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <2804290.mvXUDI8C0e@rafael.j.wysocki> References: <20251114183528.1239900-1-dave.hansen@linux.intel.com> <20251115140746.6a3acfd5@batman.local.home> <877bvqan70.ffs@tglx> <2804290.mvXUDI8C0e@rafael.j.wysocki> Message-ID: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On November 16, 2025 4:38:35 AM PST, "Rafael J=2E Wysocki" wrote: >On Sunday, November 16, 2025 12:30:27 AM CET Thomas Gleixner wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 15 2025 at 14:07, Steven Rostedt wrote: >> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 14:05:56 -0500 >> > Steven Rostedt wrote: >> > >> >> As Dave responded to Luis, although that is a good idea, it's out of >> >> scope for this document (for now)=2E >> > >> > I should have said it's out of scope for this patch, not document=2E = The >> > point is that what tag to use for this is a separate discussion=2E >>=20 >> Which should be held in the context of this patch to make it complete= =2E > >I agree, it would be good to get it all done in one go=2E A tag isn't going to capture what we need today=2E Because the LLM usage i= s so variable, it'll be, at best, misleading or, at worst, totally inaccura= te=2E I've provided several examples of this where the range of LLM involve= ment is very low to very high=2E The prior discussions have shown that we h= aven't yet found a sensible way for a tag to capture that=2E But the common thing everyone appears to agree on is the "show your work" = concept that this patch is trying to capture=2E I think it's likely we'll g= row a tag eventually, but it isn't something we understand the context for = yet=2E As a first step, this document is designed to show the foundational = goals for what we want documented=2E Over some time of applying this, we'll start to see common patterns and re= peated descriptions in commit logs=2E At that point, I think a tag will be = warranted=2E But right now, we don't generally agree about what aspects we = want a tag to cover=2E -Kees --=20 Kees Cook