From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B082EECE58D for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8428A2084C for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="ImowyeOc" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726407AbfJKW5f (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:57:35 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f196.google.com ([209.85.208.196]:41556 "EHLO mail-lj1-f196.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726255AbfJKW5f (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:57:35 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f196.google.com with SMTP id f5so11311832ljg.8 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:57:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=d1GDtzRcHKblo2XJyAeTMu8ew15C4qR1HatrIAeChbo=; b=ImowyeOcQxYWI/r9hKXNGPGyjue+pwn/Q3tB55O55ZRes6U4x6Baj1KduORMRfMZjc NOw8m4EeAjSZLE8I5qg1WZYm2PtWZ2UkObEWMQME7bWSmXwRdfMNoDHPtWZ5pjAl+kRQ TOIXVWZk4g56Ni3xDFkQoyJOj9Eq+htEpCXTb7ZkrgpYVsWASuS7nLZVSDv8RScVx2rE ZkQQ0VAseRNJbWv6XUUh6gNVzGc8wKu5hTKIKEpPRcHGmo3Iem2kdcX4Kx/nUYCvdyLI ikOvWDU61scnXMzZtiTx87qxz/nV+dBnSRkGjVHi0mgDxaM6RxNODKn/nkoaV0SKro3W Ga8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=d1GDtzRcHKblo2XJyAeTMu8ew15C4qR1HatrIAeChbo=; b=kbT7fFvAdQHxVSobglTIgoBNm/GrCq+oEb6PcxcSeK+Bg1zWThpRdMS6h8tzkZmKuK cWf1Zh6nU60nCsgjcjnZfMW+xrmUzPjDAySOXRE7NSWVO6Si0U86r2CAjAhXoLN28ckD AzhK9GQNI5ImfDD6Mfza3ABAzWM4rAbKC2W6rPAf1VPrVlb+3UlKilwG8f9rO/Ay7/0p gdavwY1Z79yiukBOJJ04Xm3HFBBYYV3UBL/3ovD1F+1eNcXqNt2SX7l2TI/RS10tKA2m 99ffIX16BZKAV6ABUei3JYz9L8QoZNYc82hTi7Us8GAJfTeQC1mGr3yfmOH1qkJW23z1 mE+A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWCu48VTbdKFBlbwJob3IOO7JI6eV1FDSjLRW436QY8nwldrNI7 iNKqAuEqeeKYE5zFV21ggOzr0M1D5K2J5NqnCUA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy0+YNBYB/1CNd/kmVVdMYO3T496En98l0vUGk1Wdrn2+G8kCW6j7QFnWgKoKyZWSzQbXgvv+WTurMY3HLuC0Y= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b819:: with SMTP id u25mr2629279ljo.223.1570834652772; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:57:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191010144150.hqiosvwolm3lmzp5@chatter.i7.local> <20191011085702.GB1075470@kroah.com> <20191011200228.zuka44ve7hob4ia4@chatter.i7.local> In-Reply-To: <20191011200228.zuka44ve7hob4ia4@chatter.i7.local> From: Dave Airlie Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 08:57:21 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: RFE: use patchwork to submit a patch To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: Greg KH , patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: workflows-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org > I don't disagree and Shuah's comments are very valuable here. However, I > would argue that these folks don't necessarily represent the target > audience for this tool. They may be newbies, but they join these > initiatives with the goal of spending significant time with the kernel > and its code, so they don't mind the effort of learning the proper way > of submitting patches. > It's two different group, a) people who aren't currently employed to work on Linux and want to be will jump through a lot more hoops with a mentor, they also are unlikely to been working at a company with horrible emails. b) people who are employed to work on Linux or at least Linux ecosystem tasks and want to send one or two patches upstream they found while developing their products, but can't use personal email and corp email sucks, and who use github for most of their lives elsewhere. I'm guessing we've got a lot of (b) we don't really see represented in mentorship programmes. Dave.