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From: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
To: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/9] Kernel API Specification Framework
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 14:05:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMuHMdU5Ga9WCzD8ji8kgOMmosS+uzf_8mp_OkhFdcAg2=3KAg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <abZTg9ZwnE5J4qXa@laps>

Hi Sasha,

On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 at 07:36, Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2026 at 11:18:22AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> >On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 11:09:10 -0400 Sasha Levin wrote:
> >> This enables static analysis tools to verify userspace API usage at compile
> >> time, test generation based on formal specifications, consistent error handling
> >> validation, automated documentation generation, and formal verification of
> >> kernel interfaces.
> >
> >Could you give some examples? We have machine readable descriptions for
> >Netlink interfaces, we approached syzbot folks and they did not really
> >seem to care for those.
>
> Once the API is in a machine-readable format, we can write formatters to
> output whatever downstream tools need. The kapi tool in the series
> already ships with plain text, JSON, and RST formatters, and adding new
> output formats is straightforward. We don't need to convince the
> syzkaller folks to consume our specs, we can just output them in a
> format that syzkaller already understands.
>
> For example, I have a syzlang formatter that produces the following
> from the sys_read spec in this series:
>
>    # --- read ---
>    # Read data from a file descriptor
>    #
>    # @context process, sleepable
>    #
>    # @capability CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE: Bypass discretionary access control on read permission
>    # @capability CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH: Bypass read permission checks on regular files
>    #
>    # @error EPERM (-1): Returned by fanotify permission events...
>    # @error EINTR (-4): The call was interrupted by a signal before any data was read.
>    # @error EIO (-5): A low-level I/O error occurred.
>    # @error EBADF (-9): fd is not a valid file descriptor, or fd was not opened for reading.
>    # @error EAGAIN (-11): O_NONBLOCK set and read would block.
>    # @error EACCES (-13): LSM denied the read operation via security_file_permission().
>    # @error EFAULT (-14): buf points outside the accessible address space.
>    # @error EISDIR (-21): fd refers to a directory.
>    # @error EINVAL (-22): fd not suitable for reading, O_DIRECT misaligned, count negative...
>    # @error ENODATA (-61): Data not available in cache...
>    # @error EOVERFLOW (-75): File position plus count would exceed LLONG_MAX.
>    # @error EOPNOTSUPP (-95): Read not supported for this file type...
>    # @error ENOBUFS (-105): Buffer too small for complete notification...

The actual E-values are positive, so I guess you want e.g. -EPERM?

Note that the actual errno values are architecture-specific.
E.g. EOPNOTSUPP can be 45, 95, 122, or 223.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

                        Geert

-- 
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org

In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
                                -- Linus Torvalds

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-08 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-13 15:09 Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 1/9] kernel/api: introduce kernel API specification framework Sasha Levin
2026-03-17 17:49   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-03-18  6:00     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-03-18 14:53       ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-18 14:30     ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-18 16:50       ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-03-18 14:32     ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-18 16:51       ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 2/9] kernel/api: enable kerneldoc-based API specifications Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 3/9] kernel/api: add debugfs interface for kernel " Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:32   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-13 16:27     ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 4/9] tools/kapi: Add kernel API specification extraction tool Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 5/9] kernel/api: add API specification for sys_open Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:33   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-13 16:42     ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-17 18:37       ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-03-18 14:12         ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-18 14:16           ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 6/9] kernel/api: add API specification for sys_close Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:49   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-13 16:46     ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:52   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-03-13 16:55     ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 7/9] kernel/api: add API specification for sys_read Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 8/9] kernel/api: add API specification for sys_write Sasha Levin
2026-03-13 15:09 ` [PATCH 9/9] kernel/api: add runtime verification selftest Sasha Levin
2026-03-14 18:18 ` [PATCH 0/9] Kernel API Specification Framework Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-14 22:44   ` David Laight
2026-03-15  6:46     ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-15  6:36   ` Sasha Levin
2026-03-18  6:24     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-03-18 14:14       ` Sasha Levin
2026-04-08 12:05     ` Geert Uytterhoeven [this message]
2026-03-16  7:05   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2026-03-16 22:57     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-03-16 23:29       ` Sasha Levin

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