From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
corbet@lwn.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
workflows@vger.kernel.org
Cc: josh@joshtriplett.org, kees@kernel.org,
konstantin@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
rostedt@goodmis.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 11:27:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9afd157a-296d-4f4d-9d65-07b89ab3906f@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75d86e96-cb18-4996-998c-da7ac0e97468@suse.cz>
On 28.07.25 09:58, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 7/27/25 21:57, Sasha Levin wrote:
>> This patch series adds unified configuration and documentation for coding
>> agents working with the Linux kernel codebase. As coding agents
>> become increasingly common in software development, it's important to
>> establish clear guidelines for their use in kernel development.
>
> Hi,
>
> this series seems to me somewhat premature. I think we first need a clear
> policy wrt LLM usage for the *humans* to follow. It seemed this thread [1]
> was going into that direction wrt usage disclosure. BTW I was quite shocked
> by Steven's reply there [2] that he learned from the LWN coverage of a
> conference talk that he had received a patch fully written by LLM without
> any such indication. Now I'm not naive to believe that it's not been
> happening already from e.g. first-time contributors, but if that coverage
> was accurate, the patch came from a very seasoned kernel contributor and I
> really wouldn't expect that to happen.
>
> Also I don't know e.g. the copyright and licensing implications of LLM usage
> beyond, say, a smarter automplete are clear? (again, such as writing the
> full patch?) The thread [1] touched on it somewhat but not completely. If
> that's clear already (IANAL), I'd hope that to be also part of such policy.
>
> I know that your series has patch 4, but that seems to be part of what the
> LLM is supposed to include for its prompt (does it make sense to call it
> "legal requirements" then?). If it fails to e.g. add the "Co-developed-by:"
> there seems to be nothing saying the human should check these things in the
> output.
Exactly that.
I want to have it clearly spelled out that if you're submitting AI
generated code that you don't fully understand and have reviewed in
detail, then you are going to have a real bad time around here.
I don't have time to talk to an AI chatbot through mail when reviewing
patches, because the submitter doesn't understand what he is doing and
blindly copy-pastes my replies to the AI.
This must not be the new mechanism to DoS kernel maintainers with AI slop.
I'll point at the approach qemu[1] has taken, which is probably a bit
too strict, but raises some key points regarding DCO, copyright etc.
[1]
https://github.com/qemu/qemu/commit/3d40db0efc22520fa6c399cf73960dced423b048
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-28 9:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-27 19:57 Sasha Levin
2025-07-27 19:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] agents: add unified agent coding assistant configuration Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:37 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 4:43 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:16 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:39 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 22:06 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-30 23:47 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-01 20:53 ` Rob Herring
2025-08-08 18:07 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 2/4] agents: add core development references Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:39 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:00 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:59 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 6:18 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 12:35 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:35 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:29 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-07-30 18:41 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 4:24 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 4:52 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:02 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 3/4] agents: add coding style documentation and rules Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:40 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:21 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 6:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 9:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-30 14:48 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-30 15:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 4/4] agents: add legal requirements and agent attribution guidelines Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:43 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-05 22:08 ` Jeff Johnson
2025-08-05 23:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 23:33 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-06 14:12 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-08-06 21:53 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 7:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-28 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-07-28 10:37 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:05 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 9:23 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 9:41 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 13:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 22:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-04 22:30 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:53 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 23:30 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 23:39 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-28 11:57 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 8:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:35 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 12:45 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 13:23 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 15:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 16:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 16:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:36 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 18:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 19:16 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:34 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:36 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-04 10:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-07-30 17:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:46 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:59 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:59 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 19:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-30 19:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 19:51 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 19:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-31 0:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:39 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:51 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-30 16:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-12 18:13 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
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