From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42095C433FE for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2022 09:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230049AbiJEJBH (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:01:07 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48256 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229944AbiJEJBC (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:01:02 -0400 Received: from wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de (wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de [IPv6:2a01:488:42:1000:50ed:8234::]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3F265F7C2; Wed, 5 Oct 2022 02:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a02:8108:963f:de38:eca4:7d19:f9a2:22c5]; authenticated by wp530.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) id 1og0Gr-0006G8-NF; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 11:00:53 +0200 Message-ID: <89926f21-e172-9f3d-d08f-8d5eef812ee1@leemhuis.info> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:00:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.3.1 Content-Language: en-US, de-DE To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: "Artem S. Tashkinov" , ksummit , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" References: <20221004175354.bfvg3vhfqch35ib5@meerkat.local> <20221004202540.etokkm3jk6sk7z7y@meerkat.local> From: Thorsten Leemhuis Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" In-Reply-To: <20221004202540.etokkm3jk6sk7z7y@meerkat.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1664960456;19817fd4; X-HE-SMSGID: 1og0Gr-0006G8-NF Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On 04.10.22 22:25, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 10:06:28PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> Your plan would afaics mean that we invest further into a software >> abandoned by its upstream and already becoming more and more of a >> maintenance burden. That investment would also further increase our >> dependency on that software by establishing workflows that rely on it. >> Is that really wise at this point? Wouldn't it be better to spend that >> time and effort to build something better that is more future proof? > > Unfortunately, there's no such thing. ;) And maybe we'll even help tip the > course of history into the other direction -- Red Hat uses bugzilla, and so > does OpenSuse, so there's a pretty good core of well-funded companies that > would be in a position to help keep bugzilla going if it's looking like the > platform is still alive. Or that could all be wishful thinking and they'll all > migrate to Jira or something equally horrible, who knows. Well, Red Hat apparently is already in the process of migrating to Jira in the long run: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/U7TZRWXVUGBCHS6EBJIBSFAVPFUHHV7J/ To quote that mail from March: ``` As some of you may know, Red Hat has been using both Bugzilla and Jira via issues.redhat.com for RHEL development for several years. Our intention is to move to using issues.redhat.com only for the major RHEL releases after RHEL 9. ``` Ciao, Thorsten