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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1712818223;0aff2cf4; X-HE-SMSGID: 1ruoGL-0007g7-5F On 11.04.24 08:10, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 07:50:29AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> On 11.04.24 07:30, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 07:25:05AM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>>> >>>> - Cc: # after 4 weeks in mainline >>>> + Cc: # after 6 weeks in a stable mainline release >>> >>> I do not know what "stable mainline release" means here, sorry. "after >>> 4 weeks in mainline" means "after in Linus's tree for 4 weeks, but >>> Linus's tree is not "stable mainline". >> >> I meant a proper mainline release like 6.7 or 6.8 to make it obvious >> that this does not mean a "pre-release". >> >> I actually had used the term "proper mainline release" earlier in a >> draft, but a quick search on the net showed that this is not really used >> out there. "stable mainline release" is not popular either, but seemed >> to be a better match; I also considered "final mainline release", but >> that felt odd. >> >> It feels like there must be some better term my mind just stumbles to >> come up with. Please help. :-D > > Well, what is the goal here? Just put it in words, I have seen stuff > like: > Cc: # wait until -rc3 > Cc: # wait until 6.1 is released > Cc: # after -rc2 > > and so on. > > Just pick a specific time/release might be better? "after X weeks" is > assuming that we all know and remember how many weeks something > happened... My reasoning was: a developer that submits a patch has no full control over when the patch mainlined -- and plans sometimes change, too. So a patch that was meant to go into 6.1-rc with a tag like "# wait until 4 weeks after 6.1 is released" might only be mainlined for 6.2-rc1 -- and then the tag does not express the developers intention. But that might be a corner case that we could ignore. So maybe "# wait until 4 weeks after 6.1 is released" is the better example (from what I've heard something like that is what developer would like to have sometimes). Ciao, Thorsten