From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from ms.lwn.net (ms.lwn.net [45.79.88.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 544022B9A8; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 05:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=45.79.88.28 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756273314; cv=none; b=VGI21fu0p7S7oOAPwfPuP7Dfhxqjj8rveUry6s9+Y02IGzeAwH1XOCJ9E8bNm4gfly07MCB3LGMzgYd6fweY8vdBVFtNpn4O6HPxVo6oTI9HvMA8Vol/jjRkBLklIkcYKEs3azRf3CB/ntqJEaeEMkzFapFknqCpDaL1adV//SU= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756273314; c=relaxed/simple; bh=b6q9cCDu3HC3NYVsFNsvw0/99qTo9vtqisSmqkijYtI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Y1rEXYZv3JTsDpA/ZzH9wq4ifMIzU/yjbf+Q8b/H0nIjrNudx3/DR9mr3ag03eeprL1/03tRFaswLqGS3oq9gawU9WZa9QFFIEhq2MNpTLgWc1R/0sygKleVmyMJCroNw0f0aMDhdrHvZ639ljiSZETgnd+z/YTeqRbAkfcHqKM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lwn.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lwn.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lwn.net header.i=@lwn.net header.b=psL96GdM; arc=none smtp.client-ip=45.79.88.28 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lwn.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lwn.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lwn.net header.i=@lwn.net header.b="psL96GdM" DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 ms.lwn.net C619140ADA DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lwn.net; s=20201203; t=1756273309; bh=Y6z+kBjl0XBbufpDiwRSMUVdA8goEEeheytHFy4pCxY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=psL96GdMwjIqfsiBoi+W6scJ7PL83t9o9e3c59ICPz2Qjo9gp5hhFZugDlrF5mcZp 6oUJifyexCOI6xek4gh7hZvhoTS6bO7ID90SyJAjBxcHWq/pgpY++j0r2uuuq9+G7l OhOv6TRqq+KR5bEnz+QrOomwEG15AJrGFOB7Hg2VluQ+GLxSUJgCUKws2rjDQsObzC +p9W/q40nr1O25uYupZKgcjU9A8T/e05ZaiwjdjmP2lg+uIqtD36MfKDg1CU9iu2od bjJMz7b8rkpkG09Q9oS8QMkMQc+ki2peYyPc4srhqeVCdn5zMiLN8JBeDi4TuE1D1f 1r1D5vTYOqMmw== Received: from localhost (mdns.lwn.net [45.79.72.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ms.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C619140ADA; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 05:41:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Jonathan Corbet To: Bagas Sanjaya , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Documentation , Linux Kernel Workflows Cc: Bagas Sanjaya , Jonathan =?utf-8?Q?Neusch=C3=A4f?= =?utf-8?Q?er?= , Fox Foster , Federico Vaga , Randy Dunlap , Stephen Rothwell , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better known the details" phrase In-Reply-To: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com> References: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 23:41:46 -0600 Message-ID: <87wm6p9v8l.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Bagas Sanjaya writes: > Management style docs writes on people under a manager, where they know > the details better than the manager himself. Reword it so that it would be > less confusing to non-native English speakers. > > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya > --- > Changes since v1 [1]: > > - Reword the confusing phrase (Konstantin) > > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-doc/20250826003437.7695-2-bagasdotme@gmail.com/ > > Documentation/process/management-style.rst | 4 ++-- > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > index dfbc69bf49d435..bb7a69e34ef180 100644 > --- a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > +++ b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ actually true. > The name of the game is to **avoid** having to make a decision. In > particular, if somebody tells you "choose (a) or (b), we really need you > to decide on this", you're in trouble as a manager. The people you > -manage had better know the details better than you, so if they come to > +manage most likely know the details better than you, so if they come to > you for a technical decision, you're screwed. You're clearly not I really do not understand what it is that you are trying to fix here. The original may not be the best English ever, but it is entirely correct; do we really have to churn the document for this> > competent to make that decision for them. > > @@ -115,7 +115,7 @@ sure as hell shouldn't encourage them by promising them that what they > work on will be included. Make them at least think twice before they > embark on a big endeavor. > > -Remember: they'd better know more about the details than you do, and > +Remember: they know the details better than you do, and > they usually already think they have the answer to everything. The best Here too. jon