From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from ms.lwn.net (ms.lwn.net [45.79.88.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2081192B84; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 13:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=45.79.88.28 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756299935; cv=none; b=Yfw8uYmIHJPtcgmiuAGBwQhHudoixWB+GP8hi1U4jevc0wKDCr0ICfdfW5BnCSWOvTJlJfyeiPwqhjWoTf57qNn6Cl0s9/06dEs/wf8fKWuqJaxCm79aBMdq2tvb16MurPCkgEpbf/abYi8hOMWTqFGL2CyZn8wzVsLPNJFhB38= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756299935; c=relaxed/simple; bh=4EPlLWP60CHTOYEjd0sCpQfB+lKQJPRW9CYnv0BUrO8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WPesvDctNW6Q9+myCHXdW7TK2IS6qKlinjt1h7R1JWDXtkHUEPJ3zQRWkYZ4d/TeAXc9Jfhdrmgw3P198Z39ykAEtp4ghgbwcLSOZARQfw7WilfOYmxp+ZEO30XzBFyTJs/1DS1n4/5pNvStKEqqGh6Tb6jFjUIUxCjc8R5Z2Zs= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lwn.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lwn.net; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lwn.net header.i=@lwn.net header.b=pMusGPik; arc=none smtp.client-ip=45.79.88.28 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=lwn.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lwn.net Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=lwn.net header.i=@lwn.net header.b="pMusGPik" DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 ms.lwn.net BD64140AE7 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lwn.net; s=20201203; t=1756299931; bh=2oS6jiCW7s9svWELEuoyK7NvM7Okx26TVuRa20VJlJ8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=pMusGPikcnU/6r9KwUO5SXKIN5vXa1o2tRKFbpYgTWAou/T//ao1oh/DJyrwk5vhq rbx/o2n9ANZs9ZvGdQCsZV7/fdO9iIySQiRO1svduIjXNT3xMD/HmwilUxLo6l/Ekp I1AakfxzI2B9jGFstNLtVbl6yEmbUpk9HVCWkDWHuUJI+M0UjB0/x9BEymujrSQmFc Xpe9QvU+00W7/Sc8K3Dx88txuX6lnTdour9AR+nUfbsdblw5h1wrzkjbxzWXec6ymD 1It46CwnYoMR5G/g0rVizizfB4rpbhCyNjABCuJgw+dQQoK1XtgPB2gbMcXDHDn3yA N/J20OhNNfYGQ== Received: from localhost (mdns.lwn.net [45.79.72.68]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ms.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD64140AE7; Wed, 27 Aug 2025 13:05:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Jonathan Corbet To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab Cc: Bagas Sanjaya , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Documentation , Linux Kernel Workflows , Jonathan =?utf-8?Q?Neusch=C3=A4fer?= , Fox Foster , Federico Vaga , Randy Dunlap , Stephen Rothwell , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Matthew Wilcox Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Documentation: management-style: Reword "had better known the details" phrase In-Reply-To: <20250827144757.26599d50@foz.lan> References: <20250827044848.17374-1-bagasdotme@gmail.com> <87wm6p9v8l.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <20250827113312.62162725@foz.lan> <877byp9f63.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <20250827144757.26599d50@foz.lan> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 07:05:27 -0600 Message-ID: <87tt1s9ap4.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Mauro Carvalho Chehab writes: >> But neither of those say the same thing. Read "had better know" as >> "really should know" and you get a lot closer. I guess I didn't realize >> that it was such a strange construction. > > I bet very few non-native English speaker developers would understand it > like that. Even though a non-native developer wrote it :) We can tweak it, but I'd rather not change the meaning, and, more to the point, that document needs significant work rather than low-level tweaking. jon