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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
To: Neal Gompa <neal@gompa.dev>, Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, patches@lists.linux.dev,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	tech-board@groups.linuxfoundation.org,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] docs: submitting-patches: clarify difference between Acked-by and Reviewed-by
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 14:38:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ikqij3dj.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEg-Je81VAYecajUjYVJKBJUT+YqKemWsWEoWFgOcF=vtfPRPw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025, Neal Gompa <neal@gompa.dev> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 10:30 AM Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> Newcomers to the kernel need to learn the different tags that are
>> used in commit messages and when to apply them. Acked-by is sometimes
>> misunderstood, since the documentation did not really clarify (up to
>> the previous commit) when it should be used, especially compared to
>> Reviewed-by.
>>
>> The previous commit already clarified who the usual providers of Acked-by
>> tags are, with examples. Thus provide a clarification paragraph for
>> the comparison with Reviewed-by, and give a couple examples reusing the
>> cases given above, in the previous commit.
>>
>> Acked-by: Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>
>> Acked-by: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>
>> ---
>>  Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst | 6 ++++++
>>  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst b/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst
>> index c7a28af235f7..7b0ac7370cb1 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst
>> +++ b/Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst
>> @@ -480,6 +480,12 @@ mergers will sometimes manually convert an acker's "yep, looks good to me"
>>  into an Acked-by: (but note that it is usually better to ask for an
>>  explicit ack).
>>
>> +Acked-by: is also less formal than Reviewed-by:.  For instance, maintainers may
>> +use it to signify that they are OK with a patch landing, but they may not have
>> +reviewed it as thoroughly as if a Reviewed-by: was provided.  Similarly, a key
>> +user may not have carried out a technical review of the patch, yet they may be
>> +satisfied with the general approach, the feature or the user-facing interface.
>> +
>>  Acked-by: does not necessarily indicate acknowledgement of the entire patch.
>>  For example, if a patch affects multiple subsystems and has an Acked-by: from
>>  one subsystem maintainer then this usually indicates acknowledgement of just
>> --
>> 2.48.0
>>
>
> This doesn't make sense as a distinction. What defines "thoroughly"?
> To be honest, I think you should go the other way and become okay with
> people sending Reviewed-by tags when people have looked over a patch
> and consider it good to land.
>
> To me, Acked-by mostly makes sense as a tag for people who *won't*
> review the code, not for those who *will*. Blending Acked-by and
> Reviewed-by just creates confusion.

As a maintainer, I mostly use Acked-by for two slightly different cases:

1) I've seen the patch. I have no objections to it being merged, I
   approve of it. I haven't done a detailed review of it. Additionally,
   I may indicate whether a detailed review (by someone else) is
   required, or whether I think the ack is sufficient for merging.

2) I'm fine with the patch to the area I maintain being merged via some
   other maintainers' repositories. I may or may not have also given my
   Reviewed-by in this case, which alone is not an approval to merge via
   other trees.

I think this pretty much aligns with the patch series.


BR,
Jani.

-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-13 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-12 15:29 [PATCH 0/3] Clarifications around Acked-by and "# Suffix" proposal Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-12 15:29 ` [PATCH 1/3] docs: submitting-patches: clarify Acked-by and introduce "# Suffix" Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-12 15:52   ` Neal Gompa
2025-01-12 17:24   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-13 11:52   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-01-12 15:29 ` [PATCH 2/3] docs: submitting-patches: clarify difference between Acked-by and Reviewed-by Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-12 15:50   ` Neal Gompa
2025-01-12 16:31     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-12 16:35       ` Neal Gompa
2025-01-12 17:10         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-12 19:59         ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-01-12 20:13           ` Neal Gompa
2025-01-13 14:13         ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-01-13 11:48     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-01-13 12:38     ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2025-01-13 15:15       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-14 23:13     ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-12 17:25   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-13 11:50   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-01-12 15:29 ` [PATCH 3/3] docs: submitting-patches: clarify that signers may use their discretion on tags Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-12 15:47   ` Neal Gompa
2025-01-12 16:33     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-01-12 17:24     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-13 13:36     ` Mark Brown
2025-01-13 14:22     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-01-13 15:36       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-01-12 17:22   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-13 11:51   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-01-13 17:47 ` [PATCH 0/3] Clarifications around Acked-by and "# Suffix" proposal Jonathan Corbet

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