[PATCH v1] Documentation: process: Revert "Document suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development"

[PATCH v1] Documentation: process: Revert "Document suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development"

[Conor Dooley]

From: Conor Dooley <conor.dooley@microchip.com>

Revert commit 1d2ed9234c85 ("Documentation: process: Document
suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development") as Proton disabled
WKD for kernel.org addresses as a result of some interaction with
Konstantin on social.kernel.org

Signed-off-by: Conor Dooley <conor.dooley@microchip.com>
---

I tried to find the stuff on social.korg to provide a link
but could not.

CC: kanakshilledar111@protonmail.com
CC: Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>
CC: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
CC: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
CC: workflows@vger.kernel.org
CC: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
---
 Documentation/process/email-clients.rst | 20 --------------------
 1 file changed, 20 deletions(-)

diff --git a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
index 471e1f93fa09..fc2c46f3f82d 100644
--- a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
+++ b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
@@ -350,23 +350,3 @@ although tab2space problem can be solved with external editor.
 
 Another problem is that Gmail will base64-encode any message that has a
 non-ASCII character. That includes things like European names.
-
-Proton Mail
-***********
-
-Proton Mail has a "feature" where it looks up keys using Web Key Directory
-(WKD) and encrypts mail to any recipients for which it finds a key.
-Kernel.org publishes the WKD for all developers who have kernel.org accounts.
-As a result, emails sent using Proton Mail to kernel.org addresses will be
-encrypted.
-Unfortunately, Proton Mail does not provide a mechanism to disable the
-automatic encryption, viewing it as a privacy feature.
-The automatic encryption feature is also enabled for mail sent via the Proton
-Mail Bridge, so this affects all outgoing messages, including patches sent with
-``git send-email``.
-Encrypted mail adds unnecessary friction, as other developers may not have mail
-clients, or tooling, configured for use with encrypted mail and some mail
-clients may encrypt responses to encrypted mail for all recipients, including
-the mailing lists.
-Unless a way to disable this "feature" is introduced, Proton Mail is unsuited
-to kernel development.
-- 
2.43.0

Re: [PATCH v1] Documentation: process: Revert "Document suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development"

[Kanak Shilledar]

On Thursday, May 16th, 2024 at 9:05 PM, Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org> wrote:

> From: Conor Dooley conor.dooley@microchip.com
> 
> 
> Revert commit 1d2ed9234c85 ("Documentation: process: Document
> suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development") as Proton disabled
> WKD for kernel.org addresses as a result of some interaction with
> Konstantin on social.kernel.org
> 
> Signed-off-by: Conor Dooley conor.dooley@microchip.com
> 
> ---
> 
> I tried to find the stuff on social.korg to provide a link
> but could not.
> 
> CC: kanakshilledar111@protonmail.com
> CC: Konstantin Ryabitsev konstantin@linuxfoundation.org
> 
> CC: Mark Brown broonie@kernel.org
> 
> CC: Jonathan Corbet corbet@lwn.net
> 
> CC: workflows@vger.kernel.org
> CC: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
> CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> ---
> Documentation/process/email-clients.rst | 20 --------------------
> 1 file changed, 20 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> index 471e1f93fa09..fc2c46f3f82d 100644
> --- a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> @@ -350,23 +350,3 @@ although tab2space problem can be solved with external editor.
> 
> Another problem is that Gmail will base64-encode any message that has a
> non-ASCII character. That includes things like European names.
> -
> -Proton Mail
> -***********
> -
> -Proton Mail has a "feature" where it looks up keys using Web Key Directory
> -(WKD) and encrypts mail to any recipients for which it finds a key.
> -Kernel.org publishes the WKD for all developers who have kernel.org accounts.
> -As a result, emails sent using Proton Mail to kernel.org addresses will be
> -encrypted.
> -Unfortunately, Proton Mail does not provide a mechanism to disable the
> -automatic encryption, viewing it as a privacy feature.
> -The automatic encryption feature is also enabled for mail sent via the Proton
> -Mail Bridge, so this affects all outgoing messages, including patches sent with
> -`git send-email`.
> -Encrypted mail adds unnecessary friction, as other developers may not have mail
> -clients, or tooling, configured for use with encrypted mail and some mail
> -clients may encrypt responses to encrypted mail for all recipients, including
> -the mailing lists.
> -Unless a way to disable this "feature" is introduced, Proton Mail is unsuited
> -to kernel development.

Instead of completely removing the Proton Mail section, can we keep the mention about the Proton Mail bridge and the third-party hydroxide (https://github.com/emersion/hydroxide) bridge.

> --
> 2.43.0

Thanks and Regards,
Kanak Shilledar

Re: [PATCH v1] Documentation: process: Revert "Document suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development"

[Conor Dooley]

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On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 04:00:10PM +0000, Kanak Shilledar wrote:
> On Thursday, May 16th, 2024 at 9:05 PM, Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > From: Conor Dooley conor.dooley@microchip.com
> > 
> > 
> > Revert commit 1d2ed9234c85 ("Documentation: process: Document
> > suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development") as Proton disabled
> > WKD for kernel.org addresses as a result of some interaction with
> > Konstantin on social.kernel.org
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Conor Dooley conor.dooley@microchip.com
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > I tried to find the stuff on social.korg to provide a link
> > but could not.
> > 
> > CC: kanakshilledar111@protonmail.com
> > CC: Konstantin Ryabitsev konstantin@linuxfoundation.org
> > 
> > CC: Mark Brown broonie@kernel.org
> > 
> > CC: Jonathan Corbet corbet@lwn.net
> > 
> > CC: workflows@vger.kernel.org
> > CC: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
> > CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > ---
> > Documentation/process/email-clients.rst | 20 --------------------
> > 1 file changed, 20 deletions(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> > index 471e1f93fa09..fc2c46f3f82d 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> > @@ -350,23 +350,3 @@ although tab2space problem can be solved with external editor.
> > 
> > Another problem is that Gmail will base64-encode any message that has a
> > non-ASCII character. That includes things like European names.
> > -
> > -Proton Mail
> > -***********
> > -
> > -Proton Mail has a "feature" where it looks up keys using Web Key Directory
> > -(WKD) and encrypts mail to any recipients for which it finds a key.
> > -Kernel.org publishes the WKD for all developers who have kernel.org accounts.
> > -As a result, emails sent using Proton Mail to kernel.org addresses will be
> > -encrypted.
> > -Unfortunately, Proton Mail does not provide a mechanism to disable the
> > -automatic encryption, viewing it as a privacy feature.
> > -The automatic encryption feature is also enabled for mail sent via the Proton
> > -Mail Bridge, so this affects all outgoing messages, including patches sent with
> > -`git send-email`.
> > -Encrypted mail adds unnecessary friction, as other developers may not have mail
> > -clients, or tooling, configured for use with encrypted mail and some mail
> > -clients may encrypt responses to encrypted mail for all recipients, including
> > -the mailing lists.
> > -Unless a way to disable this "feature" is introduced, Proton Mail is unsuited
> > -to kernel development.
> 
> Instead of completely removing the Proton Mail section, can we keep the
> mention about the Proton Mail bridge and the third-party hydroxide
> (https://github.com/emersion/hydroxide) bridge.

I think that is probably reasonable, but I think writing the replacement
text is up to someone who actually uses protonmail.

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Re: [PATCH v1] Documentation: process: Revert "Document suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development"

[Kanak Shilledar]

Sent with Proton Mail secure email.

On Thursday, May 16th, 2024 at 9:34 PM, Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 04:00:10PM +0000, Kanak Shilledar wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, May 16th, 2024 at 9:05 PM, Conor Dooley conor@kernel.org wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Conor Dooley conor.dooley@microchip.com
> > > 
> > > Revert commit 1d2ed9234c85 ("Documentation: process: Document
> > > suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development") as Proton disabled
> > > WKD for kernel.org addresses as a result of some interaction with
> > > Konstantin on social.kernel.org
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Conor Dooley conor.dooley@microchip.com
> > > 
> > > ---
> > > 
> > > I tried to find the stuff on social.korg to provide a link
> > > but could not.
> > > 
> > > CC: kanakshilledar111@protonmail.com
> > > CC: Konstantin Ryabitsev konstantin@linuxfoundation.org
> > > 
> > > CC: Mark Brown broonie@kernel.org
> > > 
> > > CC: Jonathan Corbet corbet@lwn.net
> > > 
> > > CC: workflows@vger.kernel.org
> > > CC: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
> > > CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> > > ---
> > > Documentation/process/email-clients.rst | 20 --------------------
> > > 1 file changed, 20 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> > > index 471e1f93fa09..fc2c46f3f82d 100644
> > > --- a/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> > > +++ b/Documentation/process/email-clients.rst
> > > @@ -350,23 +350,3 @@ although tab2space problem can be solved with external editor.
> > > 
> > > Another problem is that Gmail will base64-encode any message that has a
> > > non-ASCII character. That includes things like European names.
> > > -
> > > -Proton Mail
> > > -***********
> > > -
> > > -Proton Mail has a "feature" where it looks up keys using Web Key Directory
> > > -(WKD) and encrypts mail to any recipients for which it finds a key.
> > > -Kernel.org publishes the WKD for all developers who have kernel.org accounts.
> > > -As a result, emails sent using Proton Mail to kernel.org addresses will be
> > > -encrypted.
> > > -Unfortunately, Proton Mail does not provide a mechanism to disable the
> > > -automatic encryption, viewing it as a privacy feature.
> > > -The automatic encryption feature is also enabled for mail sent via the Proton
> > > -Mail Bridge, so this affects all outgoing messages, including patches sent with
> > > -`git send-email`.
> > > -Encrypted mail adds unnecessary friction, as other developers may not have mail
> > > -clients, or tooling, configured for use with encrypted mail and some mail
> > > -clients may encrypt responses to encrypted mail for all recipients, including
> > > -the mailing lists.
> > > -Unless a way to disable this "feature" is introduced, Proton Mail is unsuited
> > > -to kernel development.
> > 
> > Instead of completely removing the Proton Mail section, can we keep the
> > mention about the Proton Mail bridge and the third-party hydroxide
> > (https://github.com/emersion/hydroxide) bridge.
> 
> 
> I think that is probably reasonable, but I think writing the replacement
> text is up to someone who actually uses protonmail.

Alright! I will tryout hydroxide and roll out another patch in near future.
For now the patch looks good.

Reviewed-by: Kanak Shilledar <kanakshilledar111@protonmail.com>

Thanks and Regards,
Kanak Shilledar

Re: [PATCH v1] Documentation: process: Revert "Document suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development"

[Jonathan Corbet]

Conor Dooley <conor@kernel.org> writes:

> From: Conor Dooley <conor.dooley@microchip.com>
>
> Revert commit 1d2ed9234c85 ("Documentation: process: Document
> suitability of Proton Mail for kernel development") as Proton disabled
> WKD for kernel.org addresses as a result of some interaction with
> Konstantin on social.kernel.org
>
> Signed-off-by: Conor Dooley <conor.dooley@microchip.com>
> ---

Applied, thanks.

jon