From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2ACC619D06A; Wed, 5 Mar 2025 20:09:03 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1741205344; cv=none; b=SnZQjAV6qI+Qf/0nLNZh8U2OmHtq1rVTwJQGKcfwOVGsYJPxs1wC6R0Pi8dKfduS5QNtMqNUWIlcqmJrq1ZDgqLNLhyHiWYf9fb66UyjiOj8OkGfeNuibSaj1mT7I9TXCDRfwjrjy79jGQTo8DUWc5NntDDWF/qcHNPnj1Bjc2w= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1741205344; c=relaxed/simple; bh=3GEXo0R3oi/i957HgbWWMqT94pZhKmcGNV8yUuiPhGY=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=Cvg03almkfb5O82XKYQGCxAK/gMiwg4nCB7gjXlNnTzCmYBiVmnu82k1JHln4sWg+acnWNDQ1XTb9wWgdo8N/y4fIeNxlGm6PVNO08bmLvMv5qlZNV8Te2cH+MiaPVzYG32nrn6wkdr0rTCefslfwvCTeZ1FH07UOm+KZsxbnZQ= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=kC8w/wzV; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="kC8w/wzV" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46F5DC4CED1; Wed, 5 Mar 2025 20:09:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1741205343; bh=3GEXo0R3oi/i957HgbWWMqT94pZhKmcGNV8yUuiPhGY=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=kC8w/wzVrOeI+eaIoh+n2wfbPqxzUEDR4IFvOqOpHP7xW1Bbt4+RlNrFiPoRWDSlw Vp72Y9UKlZHt9R5C7Db3lbRKbFrANwLiXSjnqbWvQZHNiwLzDCaBvs1LyMa+S0QD1m VSx3283CCG++gn4F4N1Xvj4DhL5D03QUVak3sC7fR2uvonbTagTpkMHnGC+kANYtgU 2iUmPy9wqj5SblPyJMOfsNQpNXALNJ/gIlF6ajNREQUd+RHb/fhdB8aVJ7gi2G5Zgi 0b0fqQ3q4W+ueiB/U663TT2rE8cbOac2X7r0Yufwe8nM54WOSbBdea1SiDtxkZ9wcW 5HDiKvyX2A0PQ== Message-ID: <5a284bee-c332-4af2-b7ad-56296e419e18@kernel.org> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 13:08:51 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation/CoC: Spell out the TAB role in enforcement decisions To: Steven Rostedt , Jani Nikula Cc: Shuah Khan , gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, corbet@lwn.net, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, conduct@kernel.org, tab@lists.linux.dev, Miguel Ojeda References: <20250304194813.11049-1-shuah@kernel.org> <87h647yf8r.fsf@intel.com> <20250305103108.4943e301@gandalf.local.home> Content-Language: en-US From: Shuah In-Reply-To: <20250305103108.4943e301@gandalf.local.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/5/25 08:31, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Wed, 05 Mar 2025 11:54:28 +0200 > Jani Nikula wrote: > >> 2/3 actually means 7/10 for the TAB. >> >> Except two of the CoC committee members currently serve on the TAB, and >> will not vote. Assuming they will also not count for the total, 2/3 >> means 6/8 = 75%. >> >> All of a sudden you actually need 3/4 majority in the TAB to approve any >> CoC measures. >> >> Perhaps consider using a simple majority instead? The numbers become >> 6/10 and 5/8. > > I'm a TAB member but I'm speaking for myself and not on behalf of the TAB. > > I rather keep it as is and not move it to a simple majority. If the TAB is > going to make a decision that may affect the ability of a developer to get > their work done, the issue had better be substantial where it should have no > problem getting to 75%. Ideally, it should even be unanimous, but there are > cases where a member may be involved, and decides to abstain. > I am in total agreement with Steve on this. The way the document reads now with this change allows for oversight when the CoC, the TAB and the community is forced to make tough decisions that impact developer's ability to participate in the development process. thanks, -- Shuah