From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79EBBC433FE for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2022 09:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229810AbiJEJ50 (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:57:26 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:49286 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229623AbiJEJ5Z (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Oct 2022 05:57:25 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com (us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com [170.10.133.124]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3019F6F245 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2022 02:57:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1664963843; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=20ff7s16mtIwZ8gqYFObUPuSeBfntjdVTNqXHSuaHoI=; b=ZHYb3YcMK25WqNfJAfeTatUL5AnNUaSbj0VBqUWUr12vqKNhi6oMO+hTYkPwu6nvpf5h19 afP5BrzWgQVU45sy32Q9DDypiOZccULssRZ/tioED2299Dojo+asB7+cz4N6QmCUa+wMXY cT/9dBKKaMKV5m1OqITk9+O13cj4UYc= Received: from mail-ej1-f70.google.com (mail-ej1-f70.google.com [209.85.218.70]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.3, cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id us-mta-182-nGYwmHyyMquWhy-I1ZYTAQ-1; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 05:57:21 -0400 X-MC-Unique: nGYwmHyyMquWhy-I1ZYTAQ-1 Received: by mail-ej1-f70.google.com with SMTP id oz10-20020a1709077d8a00b00783c1ad301fso6211203ejc.2 for ; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 02:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:cc:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=20ff7s16mtIwZ8gqYFObUPuSeBfntjdVTNqXHSuaHoI=; b=XWbOGAd8AECRAkbTX1jc/NWkh//WlIPTD3s2tJfDsv1WNMliA4KZyUXwgwHsrI4aMs /gyEZhdMvftzlrlewEQM0zvaBlCAfG+5NLCfL2XhYNp3FH2ag2LCRcaNTwxwRaS+hasK lWlSAT7rS6+o8f92jIa0XxK+y6bN0pgjTpt0lAkxp35mjdpMZTtSXVRIh1UcT4g3jeG3 Xmstgj6Rhq/57GjACl3qNECGt+P59gI5adL6FcyVG4wkNwZeRRp7bz8KKQ7HUJKcqeG7 33tDYDrNXuKYYNO0o6gPeziYpiqFu8CixgdTwISQxj5vepni6Qx4kIMlEvVklZfd2WcU HvYw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3YQNsnUrQzDfLBE/p61AoI6vS+q7H5bb+jr+wdPSU2gAzO4Qqx qEyObAqyjO7Uhbn7RMAGiuiP+aH/Fp/peIXUD88XTI4OTb1UZuCXtXjx/ovSOa3c3iWBYQooHSZ VLU5/dskIUrF89Wb1v2P5 X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:8a04:b0:782:5277:2bac with SMTP id sc4-20020a1709078a0400b0078252772bacmr23287309ejc.128.1664963840705; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 02:57:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5mca9biPXLa+2VXu6jXHj36N0ePmCtaDc/BXk6keLmkoscY89Q4ZDPxtCjzrCOOdednWj6xg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:8a04:b0:782:5277:2bac with SMTP id sc4-20020a1709078a0400b0078252772bacmr23287285ejc.128.1664963840468; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 02:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPV6:2001:1c00:c1e:bf00:d69d:5353:dba5:ee81? (2001-1c00-0c1e-bf00-d69d-5353-dba5-ee81.cable.dynamic.v6.ziggo.nl. [2001:1c00:c1e:bf00:d69d:5353:dba5:ee81]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id oq4-20020a170906cc8400b0078b1ff41f05sm5053016ejb.43.2022.10.05.02.57.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Oct 2022 02:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <477635db-c89b-cfd3-cd26-fea51bb094a5@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2022 11:57:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.2.1 Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Content-Language: en-US, nl To: Thorsten Leemhuis , Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: "Artem S. Tashkinov" , ksummit , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" References: <20221004175354.bfvg3vhfqch35ib5@meerkat.local> <20221004202540.etokkm3jk6sk7z7y@meerkat.local> <89926f21-e172-9f3d-d08f-8d5eef812ee1@leemhuis.info> From: Hans de Goede In-Reply-To: <89926f21-e172-9f3d-d08f-8d5eef812ee1@leemhuis.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org Hi, On 10/5/22 11:00, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > On 04.10.22 22:25, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 10:06:28PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> Your plan would afaics mean that we invest further into a software >>> abandoned by its upstream and already becoming more and more of a >>> maintenance burden. That investment would also further increase our >>> dependency on that software by establishing workflows that rely on it. >>> Is that really wise at this point? Wouldn't it be better to spend that >>> time and effort to build something better that is more future proof? >> >> Unfortunately, there's no such thing. ;) And maybe we'll even help tip the >> course of history into the other direction -- Red Hat uses bugzilla, and so >> does OpenSuse, so there's a pretty good core of well-funded companies that >> would be in a position to help keep bugzilla going if it's looking like the >> platform is still alive. Or that could all be wishful thinking and they'll all >> migrate to Jira or something equally horrible, who knows. > > Well, Red Hat apparently is already in the process of migrating to Jira > in the long run: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/U7TZRWXVUGBCHS6EBJIBSFAVPFUHHV7J/ > > To quote that mail from March: > > ``` > As some of you may know, Red Hat has been using both Bugzilla and Jira > via issues.redhat.com for RHEL development for several years. Our > intention is to move to using issues.redhat.com only for the major > RHEL releases after RHEL 9. > ``` That is for RHEL only though I'm not sure what the plans for Fedora are. Also I do believe that the Red Hat bugzilla team is working on porting bugzilla to postgresql, which would at least fix the problem of depending on a no longer maintained mysql version. If the postgresql port is something of interest to keep bugzilla.kernel.org going for now, then it is probably best to just directly contact the bugzilla maintainers @redhat. Regards, Hans