From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-pg1-f174.google.com (mail-pg1-f174.google.com [209.85.215.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B9F6EEAE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 01:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=209.85.215.174 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1709255600; cv=none; b=k28U6YDv7D6ZCQuJJUgRK9M7Iz2bSF7ldosVwkF3jVhUYV0yaN1SB9/nBW9rXiybEVEww4FOlXJPb6uuTESt6ifsqDQlyA4E9m3kVF5//83v4N6+Tw6vOSE0EKicNKkHKzPldBPE+w/dHNdIEqHQqkEr9EAT412Aw27DsNAvORA= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1709255600; c=relaxed/simple; bh=ZuvjqH3HIFy12XQQHy4pBaqVidAhTDkX4wpKeIhtGms=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=jb0HAMrL4tcguUdAiD+DEXaXNuKzTuAHNjrML0wwhGC/ayZU8H8VSzEDyjxMB3O7EEITYVF7KNLkyWAH8dwbWSGtxMp+BZqbrtuQSaObA9D+gipERws3XkS5nTV/JhA4OJXTMXv+AI0PaONPqMFFSVuRwq+qA/VYq1eA38LvUls= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=acm.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com; arc=none smtp.client-ip=209.85.215.174 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=acm.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com Received: by mail-pg1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5d3907ff128so1450532a12.3 for ; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 17:13:19 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709255599; x=1709860399; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=JUmSc9gRpxsRRwEZsMBIvA5Xuuwgz+nXXOF7b7dCCgE=; b=nro393Llh08zkNLkLPoriZWL61LgLpuCv6qXqUojZcEekA0JBQW5JsMQzHXzqPVRe5 1Mw8Do5iRzIiEMo0JoB5TdYihhfQOOgXvZqTNbse0wmHo+KY8Swccy4/mpans/A2txNb NdxLvcfYCLg5rxZ5cGe8eVWJBRXC43wKOgljcmb47lItFqmi481h3DrsInkSkXzLC5EY k8X07aQtKCDzZe1H/VNeV7K/LKywhtl1BeEo9lo6QwppSzaKMdHFcToU94jC3rTti1zM hoOyeowIrJ65PGROzhIT9yt805BKNdrB0Dq2SNeEoXPRQKfdec5kL6XN5n4UGx4H9tUO gPBQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUPRRAhczEAJSC10KYPpYMniKx29BtR38K6wojllhcgcX+0gQ9xSFnknukeAkG+Pvm9VCc2OpDxRz5xajBZI5yw3LT8LNdV4SGs X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzVMoESUxnuQ6XWp/OB8V9r/1tqfEWwPoR5jcQjrqqtg+aAXbp1 sJpi867to9ErhrO+/z0GA7V5Suq7731cmVNMv32DN3RiUYybeGMS X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFt0qFrm7keCtP7YEwddle58URI8bgB2yxoxq5IX80T9wgjzBezyN63oCCiyPW5VoRuLtqmbA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:244a:b0:1a1:34be:24b5 with SMTP id t10-20020a056a20244a00b001a134be24b5mr157813pzc.24.1709255598567; Thu, 29 Feb 2024 17:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.51.14] (c-73-231-117-72.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [73.231.117.72]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ju16-20020a170903429000b001db5ecd115bsm2155836plb.276.2024.02.29.17.13.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 29 Feb 2024 17:13:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <23f843e8-2eb6-4b25-b515-44c6cf5e49d5@acm.org> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 17:13:16 -0800 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Toy/demo: using ChatGPT to summarize lengthy LKML threads (b4 integration) Content-Language: en-US To: Hannes Reinecke , Konstantin Ryabitsev , users@kernel.org, tools@kernel.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org References: <20240227-flawless-capybara-of-drama-e09653@lemur> <964843ca-891b-4039-94b3-ed1046df2d69@acm.org> <5758922f-a11a-4bbe-88a4-b724f53b2e6f@suse.de> From: Bart Van Assche In-Reply-To: <5758922f-a11a-4bbe-88a4-b724f53b2e6f@suse.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/28/24 23:18, Hannes Reinecke wrote: > Now there's a thought. Maybe we should do exactly the opposite, and > posting _more_ ChatGPT generated content on the web? Sending them > into a deadly self-enforcing feedback loop? That's a rather negative view. Besides concerns about the energy spent on training LLMs, in my opinion LLMs can be very useful. If I need to look up information about a kernel subsystem that I'm not very familiar with, I type in the question in the user interface of an LLM. While it can be very hard to look up information in mailing list archives with a traditional web search engine, LLMs can give accurate answers quickly. Here is an example of such a question: "Why does the Linux kernel cgroup implementation propagate statistics to parent cgroups periodically instead of immediately?" Both ChatGPT and Gemini produce reasonable answers to this question but the web search engines that I tried did not. Bart.