From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@sr71.net>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
NeilBrown <neilb@ownmail.net>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
workflows@vger.kernel.org, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v3] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 13:19:26 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260108131926.59b456fc@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f72c3894-f83c-4bb9-abfb-afc2aa22c705@lucifer.local>
On Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:29:47 +0000
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
> > But one thing I learned about my decade on the TAB, is don't worry about
> > things you are afraid might happen, just make sure you address what is
> > currently happening. Especially when it's easy to update the rules.
>
> I mean why are we even writing the document at all in that case :) why did this
> discussion come up at the maintainer's summit, etc.
What happened that started this discussion was me reading about an AI patch
that was submitted and accepted without the maintainer knowing that the
patch was 100% created by AI. That maintainer just happened to be me! I
made a stink about not disclosing the fact that the patch was generated by
AI. I wanted full transparency.
A long discussion started there where we noticed that we have no written
policy on transparency of tooling used to create patches and wanted to fix
that. That was the reason this all started, but it expanded to "Oh we need
to document our policy on AI too". That was an after thought.
See why I'm still pushing to only document what our current policy is.
>
> I think it's sensible to establish a clear policy on how we deal with this
> _ahead of time_.
Why? We don't know what is going to happen. We are only assuming things are
going to be a problem, where it may never be.
>
> And as I said to Linus (and previously in discussions on this) I fear the
> press reporting 'linux kernel welcomes AI submissions, sees it like any
> other tool'.
But this document doesn't even say that. It's only expressing in writing
what our policy is on transparency of using tooling where AI is just one
more tool. AI submissions have already been done. It's only accepted after
the normal process is followed.
-- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-08 18:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-06 20:51 Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 17:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-07 18:12 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 19:18 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 21:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 21:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 11:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:19 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2026-01-08 18:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 22:39 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 10:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-07 23:50 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-08 10:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:43 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 11:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-01-08 10:03 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:20 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 10:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 11:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:17 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 13:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 15:58 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-08 16:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:10 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:50 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 20:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 5:42 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 7:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 7:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 11:00 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 11:25 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 15:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:48 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-12 15:06 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 18:34 ` Andrew Morton
2026-01-09 19:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-08 20:45 ` Jens Axboe
2026-01-08 21:04 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-01-09 5:29 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-09 7:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 8:54 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-01-09 15:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 15:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 16:33 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-10 15:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-01-10 15:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-01-10 16:02 ` James Bottomley
2026-01-10 16:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12 19:02 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-01-08 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 14:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 14:48 ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-08 15:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-08 16:42 ` Sasha Levin
2026-01-08 17:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 18:27 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-08 19:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 16:30 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-01-09 16:37 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 19:16 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <42192F04-2C46-4734-8CF6-DEA8739989C3@hohndel.org>
2026-01-08 10:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 13:41 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-01-08 13:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-08 0:00 ` SeongJae Park
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-14 18:35 Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:08 ` Luis Chamberlain
2025-11-14 22:52 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 20:17 ` SeongJae Park
2025-11-14 22:53 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-14 23:19 ` dan.j.williams
2025-11-15 15:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-15 19:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 19:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 23:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-16 12:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-11-16 15:25 ` Kees Cook
2025-11-16 16:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 16:55 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-12-23 17:10 ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-12-23 20:56 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-24 15:41 ` Dave Hansen
2025-12-24 16:23 ` Simon Glass
2025-11-16 16:01 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-17 19:13 ` Dave Hansen
2025-11-15 19:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-11-15 20:10 ` Randy Dunlap
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