From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0016.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27E7932D0D0; Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.16 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1762810952; cv=none; b=JpS0obw1DAy8FUrhuEgJWI/ALk6tNa/17tqVfk8QDTDCyfnOz0QkjSvnQ+pEor/K/743MCkuwfUmn7G3fTFodrDmPdlineRx/zEKS1g/Su7gToNZ2C8myPv25+mF6qYfPAG7aNr9t9QezUeahbdHTnsYN/7A8ntsWljbndt8WC0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1762810952; c=relaxed/simple; bh=bEMecNnSn17jv7cTIq3jiwYCG+i/vl1OcQ33XG4OFmw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=svdsnibg3Iq2xQ7Tlx4fP11km+aIYrZKkHpNrB+ZYKjTENnGiigaKfS8Yjn6xhsBx2TwrWz4SO7bJLnT2Jz3Du6AB28NbrN3BDUrrFj3Clehx6L9X2kFXDc2QkG97BVU4MRDnJCqgfqbc3Udo2Yp9bYpPo5cHWEYwajaqKhryiA= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.16 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org Received: from omf10.hostedemail.com (a10.router.float.18 [10.200.18.1]) by unirelay08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D981402DB; Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: rostedt@goodmis.org) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CF6B23D; Mon, 10 Nov 2025 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:42:25 -0500 From: Steven Rostedt To: James Bottomley Cc: Linus Torvalds , "H. Peter Anvin" , Mike Rapoport , Laurent Pinchart , Christian Brauner , Dave Hansen , Vlastimil Babka , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "workflows@vger.kernel.org" , "ksummit@lists.linux.dev" , Dan Williams , Theodore Ts'o , Sasha Levin , Jonathan Corbet , Kees Cook , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Miguel Ojeda , Shuah Khan Subject: Re: [PATCH] [v2] Documentation: Provide guidelines for tool-generated content Message-ID: <20251110164225.4b343fe4@gandalf.local.home> In-Reply-To: <21622a5393ef21413cae91d9c8ebbb8425d2c193.camel@HansenPartnership.com> References: <20251105231514.3167738-1-dave.hansen@linux.intel.com> <653b4187-ec4f-4f5d-ae76-d37f46070cb4@suse.cz> <20251110-weiht-etablieren-39e7b63ef76d@brauner> <20251110172507.GA21641@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <20251110145405.5bc87cc5@gandalf.local.home> <21622a5393ef21413cae91d9c8ebbb8425d2c193.camel@HansenPartnership.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.20.0git84 (GTK+ 2.24.33; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout08 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: CF6B23D X-Stat-Signature: k5khmrtfujf73rxgntbx88bta6khh6xm X-Session-Marker: 726F737465647440676F6F646D69732E6F7267 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX19kHQg4PhuLSvsNRpbb/5go1uqnOhExorY= X-HE-Tag: 1762810936-865393 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1/hK87wS1/f9ot42991ei4U3afomqi2EElZYt94AGJZkJZqoXUWmioYnyqGg9JwbQlANwAhDmEmKi5xyGcDjjXqKlHMMcrZVekvMTeom/8vU6aIyz192JQ6+o8jPQsQAjqFN0V2QuXsdPxuhuw4cHU6KQnUiqcPrWM/WytQk+ovlNkBQpTbQludKHeI5F+BkwM/WHAwzQ/eZYq/HMxpTpRp4ljc70YodhTxeCMlBLrAJ9MMYXlnRSGkRKwJv2bM2exezTFGODWtuaFWpNc6aey+I6TtkxtYY7VaK+b49jrZb2/TgW3wtaEjUNPquKgJ4k3m9FjIdJO1Mfe59fuyUFC2NzyRmjFUeePL+W61zuHBC0vozBi+XkV9 On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 16:21:30 -0500 James Bottomley wrote: > As far as the copyright status of AI output in the US goes, as long as > its not derivative of something, then it's a non-human creation and as > such cannot be copyrighted at all, so it's equivalent to public domain. I believe that's what is currently being argued in court. If AI is trained on human content and prints out something based on it, is it a non-human creation? This isn't a case of a monkey taking a selfie, where the content provider is clearly non-human. This is a machine that uses human created content to derive new creations. -- Steve