From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D88B8635D; Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:46:55 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756219615; cv=none; b=L4IGK01Ad2NXx/R6X2ioncrYAs0A4qY1JCsc41lL+K3YeLjNppnycNmHSKQGUqLEXN9Lz9s+JViwRMwpGhL4gTDjaEqmxLg/h/yBeLkmLAuDt6wZYtNtGxkr9dmvmaBVI3jGYEQUX/UYTVul6rf3ZYyt32TUKDGxPqN2JML+lkE= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1756219615; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Lxo2DeBPbjwel3AvvdT8bRYWUnkhTXi+8e7kr/g5VCY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=fD2ZUc21L2Lnp4lwuKtwNHTkPIm897XklHpOrdqD796aEQ5q2OH3QgcvRBr6TmF1ex/sfp+c/0Wr5cbFG6OCb4S57R8BO2mg/UXovggnmgTatslS0EXtM5BPuhb8IOp8QV41ughfN6c/fKCyICYpPJZh4Ysfx+wLKIz8BmIPm4E= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b=Te3raU5H; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b="Te3raU5H" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBAD5C4CEF1; Tue, 26 Aug 2025 14:46:54 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1756219615; bh=Lxo2DeBPbjwel3AvvdT8bRYWUnkhTXi+8e7kr/g5VCY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=Te3raU5HZlMDXYoh6KNEfqk3cjNLfUMn6vv+4z4bj9nm0v1PJjGzk2TXKPuCPQjsF 2e8PXce6LEH4ewDis3GsTW/II9B9QbP3/ZtHl+xr10i1nNGXaoZC9tmfF0ugsoOrjZ bdbyZnLp9Uw8Waaj0PUtKNZ2vBj8XpkNIj42dkFY= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2025 10:46:50 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: Bagas Sanjaya , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Documentation , Linux Kernel Workflows , Fox Foster , Federico Vaga , Jonathan =?utf-8?Q?Neusch=C3=A4fer?= , Randy Dunlap Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: management-style: Correct "know" past participle Message-ID: <20250826-fearless-glossy-dinosaur-46ebbf@lemur> References: <20250826003437.7695-2-bagasdotme@gmail.com> <87349ed6zj.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87349ed6zj.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> On Mon, Aug 25, 2025 at 10:47:28PM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > > Management style docs writes on people under a manager, where they know > > the details better than the manager himself, in past perfect tense. Yet, > > "know" is in infinitive form instead. > > > > Correct the verb form. > > > > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya > > --- > > Documentation/process/management-style.rst | 4 ++-- > > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > > index dfbc69bf49d435..1381b253b19ef4 100644 > > --- a/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > > +++ b/Documentation/process/management-style.rst > > @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ actually true. > > The name of the game is to **avoid** having to make a decision. In > > particular, if somebody tells you "choose (a) or (b), we really need you > > to decide on this", you're in trouble as a manager. The people you > > -manage had better know the details better than you, so if they come to > > +manage had better known the details than you, so if they come to > > you for a technical decision, you're screwed. You're clearly not > > This seems actively wrong ... ? I do believe this is a clear indicator that the whole sentence needs to be reworded: ... if somebody tells you to "choose (a) or (b), we really need you to decide on this," you're in trouble as a manager. The people you manage most likely know the details better than you, so if they come to you for a technical decision, ... This change would detract from the... unique... style of this document, but would hopefully be less confusing to non-native speakers. -K