From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk (zeniv.linux.org.uk [62.89.141.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B06A2E1726; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 17:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753898358; cv=none; b=F1HQZVki8E4FNGc3R5kisFdt7mKMbzEe3TDwXmy6tBweYJxQXyrVhTVbucVABnTEZzr/IUEK85SLa1b0t9nfPsISzTh/alyzPQr5SBV+qT7vA8AiNfmykcop7wvHMkOGfO1VkjSbVoql5XFwRMSzka7KOYQGgmnRwoMmjRfCk1M= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1753898358; c=relaxed/simple; bh=qEcJaOUH46TT0ovyqaDstceetO9DHyTsZZ58j9z7nU0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=k1eq8qgfHofSS9mKQI5TWxnjNjdQk/qmWGGXUK7A1ETPLrIuhdtMxDF6bP5tJ6CX8DHhx9bst26oUWvy492mctBpJp8EMpOYB8DPU7N6DNj12u8CAliTiBGDP9a5otvsyTtf5EZmr1x30yHhuolFyxXEKJ+WHh5ULOmdtY5uBQ4= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b=S6J1FdkE; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b="S6J1FdkE" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux.org.uk; s=zeniv-20220401; h=Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=8pVaSKs5rzYlGzZBBoOc+Zefw0mGfC/uMT2S9oNz9EI=; b=S6J1FdkEYzPj0YE4Tw8OownB6D ZQY2kgNX5MjoetQ/E/xcMMxilINE4uWdIuE7EGaOllU9xGmVFiKD2FAi6UK5tY5sIfKz23ewODrQ+ pR3shXmO/dmWKkjY/EEV31zNRHQzCQT3R41Vpfr7iT9vDaf/ZnACvEIWNlR7y59kZ5OFo81bUzlQO UST/Tf1f4kUJ9qhMImwnNY6w6riJJgaZ5N7cgfco1ciJSjhshHhF9bVp7vIgURFbhfY0guhwjjKvv fyrWjzEF6m/0Q0tphVzN7p+9sWo8N17NqdM0YlXLhPIUvEj36/kAOkplJfXECiBA6+qjKel5SLcen g6qryDug==; Received: from viro by zeniv.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1uhB53-0000000FOGl-1h66; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 17:59:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 18:59:09 +0100 From: Al Viro To: Sasha Levin Cc: Steven Rostedt , Lorenzo Stoakes , Greg KH , corbet@lwn.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org, josh@joshtriplett.org, kees@kernel.org, konstantin@linuxfoundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds , "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Message-ID: <20250730175909.GO222315@ZenIV> References: <20250727195802.2222764-1-sashal@kernel.org> <7e7f485e-93ad-4bc4-9323-f154ce477c39@lucifer.local> <2025072854-earthen-velcro-8b32@gregkh> <20250730112753.17f5af13@gandalf.local.home> <158707d7-6729-4bb6-bc72-7556d11bfaef@lucifer.local> <20250730121829.0c89228d@gandalf.local.home> <20250730130531.4855a38b@gandalf.local.home> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: Al Viro On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 01:46:47PM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote: > Similarily the argument around not trusting the code is equivalent to > not trusting the person who sent the code in. AI doesn't send patches on > it's own - humans do. This is basically saying "I didn't even look at > your patch because I don't trust you". One name: Markus Elfring. Ever tried to reason with that one? Or Hillf Danton, for that matter. And I absolutely will refuse to take patches from somebody who would consistently fail to explain why the patch is correct and needed. Sasha, this is the elephant in the room: we *ALREADY* get "contributions" that very clearly stem from "$TOOL says so, what else do you need?" kind of reasoning and some of that dreck ends up in the tree. AI will serve as a force multiplier for those... persons.