From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk (zeniv.linux.org.uk [62.89.141.173]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68AA92C033F; Tue, 13 May 2025 19:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1747165821; cv=none; b=X2Y1DJ6HC4LvVqSapU2Zc+/9xz2WaVEbRsvHByoJ4hUIrz3KSu0pn2juBYOUAMrOETZWiSw00i5oKXbEbXHKqS5zFYsjoYGFc8ciCNwW+SaiANAhI3XEY/x51xPmCYyMmj3L1VTJ2OjD4wE20wyhhHgcovkDglKjSmP9m6IpLMY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1747165821; c=relaxed/simple; bh=BdiAPi41+n6IgIprGo+gdL28FCyx4j/abNEqeyMMNcg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=cdaB59DfV/g3VYcxvK78xGhmbXWaLkhHhsmHvXR8w9whAskPr6TngSXJ4PJbtQ0nOgVJXJ7Jhz38B9wwoHCT2gVdrNDcqJoAX4YCzpXQVjNKU8ySXWz9mtSDN30TnkYC81P0ZImpFyEKVhyp56EXoACSMY+NNwAKWXZno2ukB70= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b=nm2zaUZm; arc=none smtp.client-ip=62.89.141.173 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=zeniv.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=ftp.linux.org.uk Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=linux.org.uk header.i=@linux.org.uk header.b="nm2zaUZm" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux.org.uk; s=zeniv-20220401; h=Sender:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=xBX3BVNMa6IV68uHVwNRfoDz3Q9NSwuileV1QH3idjE=; b=nm2zaUZmSYQ6iFHiM1DiYQrIQw elZ10i2Ag1jNkQ+2pOe5tWtkf+cdgME+a7OPup9AvmvYL84mwtVBA5BMJ2yhdXhAY5qi+jRK7tWjK Yl71pO+HlBryIab1CuMICHVlffprDYZBrGz++ntdm2avM5bMTstB+bIHJuBMQWB+tkyCzb24YgOiE 8HEx0c2bieByL5mDpU/X0o5K1WOfgI7UwZJMxmg7rxcQkNHG6y7QpqVASPeNwtfdCVu5ytwL+wv94 CZUN2LiraalbB7Lm/rGkyPqQNHt5mAgV+NfXyW2ZoxFlpUCaI05H19hYwufg3PJM3u824CUjzT/qR d3n4EcOQ==; Received: from viro by zeniv.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.98.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1uEvdo-00000004Byz-279G; Tue, 13 May 2025 19:50:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 20:50:16 +0100 From: Al Viro To: Alexey Dobriyan Cc: Jonathan Corbet , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] CodingStyle: make Documentation/CodingStyle into symlink Message-ID: <20250513195016.GI2023217@ZenIV> References: <20250509203430.3448-1-adobriyan@gmail.com> <87frhcsrva.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <77f03295-df5d-4bc0-9a61-5be829969662@p183> <20250513041249.GF2023217@ZenIV> <0e43117a-d92c-4563-ad2d-de6cbd02e986@p183> <20250513190429.GH2023217@ZenIV> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: Al Viro On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 10:26:12PM +0300, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > Right now it is clear that Greg objects but I personally think > his counter-argument is weak. > > He is basically saying that LOC count is too much so Linux should stick > to how things were always have been even if "old style" is objectively > inferior. Objectively by which metrics? You are trying to force your personal preferences upon everybody else, doing that on a list most of us are not even subscribed to. You are trying to change an equivalent of build artifact, without bothering to change the source it is derived from. That file is *not* a mechanism for changing reality; it codifies the existing general agreement between the states of wetware in developers. And if you are interested in changing these states of wetware, l-k is the wrong place for that.