From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 563C38821; Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1720796819; cv=none; b=WGUxiQ2hREO0BSq1D10XrG/DMxgsUSRuc00wOBGtl9kTTnnTpDV2FBXYPg7olD7edESyrwGalI60a/OyFx26uOsJodCHtycVLx+aaYCtHfZ5Dh113QQHh3xCR5bk8jBfN28DfeNfiU2ucumc7/JsjEhWLCWc2X2fDbeHd3kfUqM= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1720796819; c=relaxed/simple; bh=YcE/C00R/RtJBUBJFbcgkdvnBnaGU6xHIE0GiNYppU8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=ilIx5rmyl9h+ZAfjt9yXuajsepwzxlomW9bbX7AwQlQPvEV6oybpEyQOnsMvpnaLGLqtNVCp67s70Dp8z6HXqMnLIwq82849mtWPA5QJacy1IttlN42oeygmiALscP0PDfzormwuG18SC2Ql3q0lPb3WENofNQ4YBqGlyuvRPgc= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b=JG7p/7wE; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=linuxfoundation.org header.i=@linuxfoundation.org header.b="JG7p/7wE" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64DDCC32782; Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:06:58 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=korg; t=1720796818; bh=YcE/C00R/RtJBUBJFbcgkdvnBnaGU6xHIE0GiNYppU8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=JG7p/7wEwtYXBK7I+V2IAmdRHCMgFALQ3VlEvlhxa9PAXZrG3kdP5YgqkjpkpWaxm 46DtYcH2wWJzVZSukLaWyISc0ARoK/ooHIIaRx3hULsVCBvylF8KD4wWV6FLZP39hg r3vK+I27dxsYrKz6MLsefhw+EG48D9DL0FBxCmQE= Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:06:56 +0200 From: Greg KH To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: corbet@lwn.net, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: maintainer: discourage taking conversations off-list Message-ID: <2024071244-outcast-shrivel-c2c6@gregkh> References: <20240712144903.392284-1-kuba@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20240712144903.392284-1-kuba@kernel.org> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 07:49:03AM -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > Multiple vendors seem to prefer taking discussions off list, and > ask contributors to work with them privately rather than just send > patches to the list. I'd imagine this is because it's hard to fit in > time for random developers popping up with features to review into > packed schedule. From what I've seen "work in private" usually means > someone on the company side will be assigned to handle the interaction, > possibly months later. In worst case, the person scheduled to help > the contributor takes over and writes the code themselves. > This is not how the community is supposed to work. > > Signed-off-by: Jakub Kicinski > --- > CC: workflows@vger.kernel.org > CC: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org > --- > .../maintainer/feature-and-driver-maintainers.rst | 11 +++++++++++ > 1 file changed, 11 insertions(+) > > diff --git a/Documentation/maintainer/feature-and-driver-maintainers.rst b/Documentation/maintainer/feature-and-driver-maintainers.rst > index f04cc183e1de..ac7798280201 100644 > --- a/Documentation/maintainer/feature-and-driver-maintainers.rst > +++ b/Documentation/maintainer/feature-and-driver-maintainers.rst > @@ -83,6 +83,17 @@ bugs as well, if the report is of reasonable quality or indicates a > problem that might be severe -- especially if they have *Supported* > status of the codebase in the MAINTAINERS file. > > +Open development > +---------------- > + > +Discussions about user reported issues, and development of new code > +should be conducted in a manner typical for the larger subsystem. > +It is common for development within a single company to be conducted > +behind closed doors. However, maintainers must not redirect discussions > +and development related to the upstream code from the upstream mailing lists > +to closed forums or private conversations. Reasonable exceptions to this > +guidance include discussions about security related issues. > + > Selecting the maintainer > ======================== > Reviewed-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman