From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D800C433F5 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 20:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S229668AbiJDUZs (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:25:48 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39798 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229619AbiJDUZq (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:25:46 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-x734.google.com (mail-qk1-x734.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::734]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55C446BCCB for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2022 13:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x734.google.com with SMTP id g2so9106323qkk.1 for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 13:25:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=DGvJV2IIUZV7S3zU1Gd//TygTt/OG32AqXy+s65/XH0=; b=CQ6jzxz7pGsi/7Unxn/3myaDbDXR9ldixRssga58u32qNXAC6JjOpSI/qeMcu/HIUX EFZKLfcJkGHxiZasUc+40u8aAkxk+iPZVw4KCaeyTry2PMcmjVKojL9rrmRNk8Lg44fu YRxoeUmyTDJiq+KqrgkkWv23G0AOM3RM/FsI0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=DGvJV2IIUZV7S3zU1Gd//TygTt/OG32AqXy+s65/XH0=; b=Md2FY+DXP4r2NkO7s6G54rWP2Wl/ah2Kjfl9+RNlgyJhsTPEfZos9ssw2ZTCkLEiVS iMJ+2r+bsHhnPsVGJ08zBtg/o3TAoxgwcI8+rs1OuZe08JTf+o/a80uk3AfVyeKmAcQr e6V6MGQ8Hg8xVdoH1Rkz3IR92l5Tc5u5t15veueC3I6ywzSSC0VYtQj7emkqe3uX/t4e dGh11yqb8vAiT4dBmJxYlvtUqhWF73HieXsZG319LyJJLKWViGVnRQ8J4lQhGrnRXQlW cI8MKh6uBxcQQEZT0QJWlB9zDTESlKz8GSSC9sC38IvLU+AmYV4lseg4SrpiVUnfprcm +E9w== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0jJWssZkHm6jkgw5yYluL7zVBRXXdLo/OT6BGGLFb52LHGTABK Y7/NSzyxhKfZQDk8BbUNyYy3KQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5g235+vx6KmW0J4fCOEYlimbuJcIi/EoLRom6zkxz2Hs63d2hk+LFSJ/eSNDEQQfP6UjUKNQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:12f5:b0:6ce:742c:b0d0 with SMTP id f21-20020a05620a12f500b006ce742cb0d0mr17910376qkl.19.1664915142362; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 13:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meerkat.local (bras-base-mtrlpq5031w-grc-33-142-113-79-147.dsl.bell.ca. [142.113.79.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bp37-20020a05620a45a500b006ce7bb8518bsm15160606qkb.5.2022.10.04.13.25.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Oct 2022 13:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:25:40 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Thorsten Leemhuis Cc: "Artem S. Tashkinov" , ksummit , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Message-ID: <20221004202540.etokkm3jk6sk7z7y@meerkat.local> References: <20221004175354.bfvg3vhfqch35ib5@meerkat.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 10:06:28PM +0200, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > Your plan would afaics mean that we invest further into a software > abandoned by its upstream and already becoming more and more of a > maintenance burden. That investment would also further increase our > dependency on that software by establishing workflows that rely on it. > Is that really wise at this point? Wouldn't it be better to spend that > time and effort to build something better that is more future proof? Unfortunately, there's no such thing. ;) And maybe we'll even help tip the course of history into the other direction -- Red Hat uses bugzilla, and so does OpenSuse, so there's a pretty good core of well-funded companies that would be in a position to help keep bugzilla going if it's looking like the platform is still alive. Or that could all be wishful thinking and they'll all migrate to Jira or something equally horrible, who knows. I'm hoping that by keeping the bulk of this exchange relying on established decentralized end-to-end messaging, we won't be painting ourselves into the corner quite as much as with a tool that requires all interaction to happen strictly via the web interface. The alternative is to hire the folks behind patchwork to write "bugwork". -K