From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E097FC433FE for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234861AbiI2Pdk (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:33:40 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:47552 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S235025AbiI2Pc0 (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:32:26 -0400 Received: from mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2c]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9647913BCD6 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com with SMTP id de14so1004553qvb.5 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:31:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=aDk5WhTWYMUS/Nso1zDY1vnbhdE3LxgEUkl0R9z8ikc=; b=fPZW2E15BveHnk+U+E2xsZfNruZ86H0qoVWMvgoDRp8LH8O++N2Te7BG0k08r2OaLy ftLEnS9PkDbmVxKsLnBgATVeGuFmaz+yhvNZHPRO/Lg/TsUROe30efvPXffm93CuJcoE Afylt8OU1K6UECrE+L02k9cPxn5B/QVCsR1E0= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=aDk5WhTWYMUS/Nso1zDY1vnbhdE3LxgEUkl0R9z8ikc=; b=G3wuHSqKejnHkr5jA/XJf1WmEMaV4BOatkJCTupGaAf8laSjy0f2Wm2LMtUBU3Try7 D/RykhlVLgfZBWtFH9rXyrerPswGSyg0IzXXeBGotuK0btdbkjnU81cQ3hwODXJirsPE w1jBPZZBkHS9Qg9JB5iknE4ylZX87ixXM4T3ZtNnh2HHFpJvE6c9e7mWmjAzXr8ZKRVz h775+PIVgKvqTFE+9erBAqPt5wfDoyMB/s3/zbz+amIKhIJPIkm0bMJMof9msTZ7YM3f lCx656LoI7S+Or23kYSZ7xlFT8fw3vUgvZE59eeF3DL7el0cpjHOY8ImldPTBiGkweYO F17w== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0VlYTpEFA0UKrY3Rs2diFkqHx9J7DRrOvEPttieTdVbJvWcfGl GUEbYIguqwNrgSuqUEEESsr6UA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7i7zIg+oSnI+5G7rUm05ea+Hzm8A3YgGg00fNvZsrGxIXxfIvcax1QpG3R8agfqkdKbfJFAQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:29e7:b0:4af:487d:c049 with SMTP id jv7-20020a05621429e700b004af487dc049mr3121459qvb.96.1664465497726; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meerkat.local (bras-base-mtrlpq5031w-grc-33-142-113-79-147.dsl.bell.ca. [142.113.79.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id az11-20020a05620a170b00b006b615cd8c13sm6104418qkb.106.2022.09.29.08.31.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:31:35 -0400 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: "Artem S. Tashkinov" Cc: Thorsten Leemhuis , workflows@vger.kernel.org, LKML , Greg KH , Linus Torvalds , "regressions@lists.linux.dev" , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues" Message-ID: <20220929153135.vu43n5kgdj4a3at6@meerkat.local> References: <05d149a0-e3de-8b09-ecc0-3ea73e080be3@leemhuis.info> <93a37d72-9a88-2eec-5125-9db3d67f5b65@gmx.com> <20220929130410.hxtmwmoogzkwcey7@meerkat.local> <7b427b41-9446-063d-3161-e43eb2e353f9@gmx.com> <20220929135325.4riz4ijva2vc7q5p@meerkat.local> <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <95c3384b-53d0-fd6c-6ec5-a7e03fdeddfc@gmx.com> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 02:22:10PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > * Delete all the components. > * Leave a catch-all one. > * Let bug reports rot because no one will ever see them. Almost just > like now. Don't remind me of mailing lists. This is my proposal, except also: 1. post all new bugs and comments to a public-inbox feed that people can query via lore.kernel.org and tooling like lei. > Sarcasm and pain aside, Linus Torvalds himself _via Bugzilla_ has helped > me resolve critical issues on several occasions while my messages to > LKML were simply _ignored_. Think about that. In fact, he probably did this by replying to emails, not via the web interface. > Mailing lists will not work for such a huge project. Period. In the > early 90s they worked, but we are 25 years later with millions more > users. With a ton more of a ton more complicated hardware. We've recognized this a while ago, which is why our efforts have been targeted at query-based message feeds. Hence, tools like lore.kernel.org and lei. It's a work in progress, for sure, but it doesn't require any "everyone must switch workflows today" kind of coordination, and avoids introducing single points of failure by making it easy to replicate everything to mirrored systems. -K