From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10142C433EF for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E728460F9C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:04:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S237083AbhKPOHj (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:07:39 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:33944 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S237088AbhKPOH0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:07:26 -0500 Received: from mail-il1-x135.google.com (mail-il1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BD60C061766 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 06:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-il1-x135.google.com with SMTP id w15so20489728ill.2 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 06:04:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linuxfoundation.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=kcG4KxOIVA5iK2+58QccdgitbHmzYhx1vi9K8aktiMQ=; b=ZUJHO3jLiA6D5JN9joLKFIN1yfHiYmd/xPmndvooRZRTKhhPzZ6qOa0KbVD+gBltQK zpzOd0UG648ebJ9KnUVjDAt11vLGIpH8bbNxNxEBhXRAh4zvAu0rAEUqX4yeqoYmhpDa TXXHw4u87oHv2FkVj/3HWa+6q86KJQz1zSRQI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=kcG4KxOIVA5iK2+58QccdgitbHmzYhx1vi9K8aktiMQ=; b=Pjyjt/tjRu1dIaj3/16XdsnKLDyOyOpcupgf+z5AlC0bQFZPVhOg4YtFu+k8N3keLP b374Xqzc671le1P+l60gBVzAlXrbV5qxUHeP+sxE4+Mv0uspaqT8OWU5wcFoqqqPSMYJ /VTeeCWzz6rlJq+edUqJuD7lUqG+gDtzK7POYSgE+gaG4ZE8M5h+6+FosV+t0r7PSBqh SrPn+m9aDYolXk98y9vYm3wNCU3YnWb5DN2wBxUUCCbeGPo5qZ2u4dF2M0tc/oecOMPw 2sCeJ44l3iyfosv2ZuEusHdMRcZv+XcPGC2VxpDOLIfU5p/LAcBhKS7iShhaIHO23kRG DSfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532dMDpN2DoY5Xoz6mhxlhTcs661oTauBUK2kBsdxUJnLkzcQnqm zo45V+jaKeeHvFpvSsb/qsAIINcZiUaIDg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwAodlhSi2miRRPTT7CEtYiBzLLH61ghYz/VVG7mTklOgyBAdUcSBjYDCDKEFYShNr157kN7g== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1561:: with SMTP id k1mr4738316ilu.135.1637071468545; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 06:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from meerkat.local (bras-base-mtrlpq5031w-grc-32-216-209-220-181.dsl.bell.ca. [216.209.220.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r7sm12978955ilb.7.2021.11.16.06.04.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 16 Nov 2021 06:04:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:04:26 -0500 From: Konstantin Ryabitsev To: Drew DeVault Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven , workflows@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Gmail (was: Re: lore+lei: part 2, now with IMAP) Message-ID: <20211116140426.7yghiglow66sd7y3@meerkat.local> References: <20211115214641.lxo5zhttrqq6mx2z@nitro.local> <20211116134917.cqpca6auuzt7f5sw@meerkat.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 02:51:59PM +0100, Drew DeVault wrote: > > Overall, Migadu is a good recommendation for individual developer > > accounts, but may be too restricting for maintainers that do end up > > sending huge amounts of mail. Gmail or Fastmail could be better > > options for those folks. > > I'm surprised to learn that linux.dev is using Migadu rather than its > own infrastructure. I would only recommend it for personal use. 1. We couldn't easily gauge how many people would be interested in the service, so the goal was to avoid setting up infrastructure if only a small subset of users would be interested in using it. And that's largely proven correct, as only about 20 people requested accounts on linux.dev, and only about 5-7 people use them regularly to send and receive mail. 2. Dealing with spammers is a huge effort sink, so if someone already has a good setup for recognizing and catching spammers, then we might as well delegate this to them. 3. Migadu offers open-source project discounts, so it's actually dramatically cheaper for us to use them than to run our own infra in terms of admin time. :) > I will say that I have also occasionally hit Migadu's limits, but they > have been accomodating in loosening them for legitimate use when asked. Yes, I have no complaints about Migadu. They are great and I heartily recommend it to others. -K