From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F899C47404 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373BF2089F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728735AbfJKSc6 (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:32:58 -0400 Received: from shards.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.9]:51172 "EHLO shards.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728501AbfJKSc5 (ORCPT ); Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:32:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [IPv6:2601:601:9f00:1e2::d71]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: davem-davemloft) by shards.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43CED14F35C5E; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20191011.113254.1964556815296845399.davem@davemloft.net> To: rostedt@goodmis.org Cc: mchehab@kernel.org, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org, workflows@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: RFE: use patchwork to submit a patch From: David Miller In-Reply-To: <20191011140108.589bbb52@gandalf.local.home> References: <20191011143744.4291b42d@coco.lan> <20191011140108.589bbb52@gandalf.local.home> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.12 (shards.monkeyblade.net [149.20.54.216]); Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: workflows-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org From: Steven Rostedt Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:01:08 -0400 > Thus, if we want people to send us their fixes, we better keep just > an email with a patch the lowest bar for entry. I argue that for people coming into the software engineering world today, a PR is the lowest bar for entry. And email is the exact opposite, _especially_ our way of doing email. Because it IS NOT just an email with a patch. It is an email with a specific Subject line format, with various fields. Some field are optional and some are mandatory, and it also depends upon which tree you are targetting. Then there is the commit message which has content and formatting requirements. And then there are the tags, of various types and flavors, and the context (which is sometimes subtle) determines which of those tags are relevant and how they should be filled in. The various other standard email fields like TO: and CC: have to be set a certain way otherwise the patch won't even be looked at. If you think all of this stuff is a low barrier to entry you are frankly kidding yourself. It is ONLY a low barrier to entry for an experienced Linux kernel developer. Full stop. You are not helping casual contributors with this "simple" email based submission method. It is understood and easy us, but nobody else.