From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13592C47404 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 16:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1166206C0 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 16:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728465AbfJGQUG (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:20:06 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:43568 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727801AbfJGQUG (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:20:06 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx01.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25E2430860BD; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 16:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hmswarspite.think-freely.org (ovpn-121-135.rdu2.redhat.com [10.10.121.135]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8983A600C1; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:20:00 -0400 From: Neil Horman To: Drew DeVault Cc: David Miller , nhorman@tuxdriver.com, workflows@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: thoughts on a Merge Request based development workflow Message-ID: <20191007162000.GC15431@hmswarspite.think-freely.org> References: <20191007.173329.2182256975398971437.davem@davemloft.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.1 (2019-06-15) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.44]); Mon, 07 Oct 2019 16:20:06 +0000 (UTC) Sender: workflows-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:35:43AM -0400, Drew DeVault wrote: > There's no substance here to back up your arguments. You just say email > is dying and hope we take it for granted that you're right. Email is > _not_ terrible, and there are serious flaws with any of the proposed > alternatives to it. To offer some clarification here, no email isn't unilaterally terrible, its a pretty handy interface for any user conducting a single in depth conversation around a specific topic For someone on the other hand, thats got to manage those conversations, writ large (on the order of several hundred a day), where management entails extracting structured text (that as often as not, is not as structured as it should be), and applying that data to a git tree, its a huge drain on that persons time. Between that and dealing with general maintenence tasks (other email servers that stop responding, or spam the list, etc), and it becomes a full time job just to keep the system running before any real work gets done Neil