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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	mhocko@kernel.org,  hannes@cmpxchg.org, yosryahmed@google.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9 v2] cgroup: separate per-subsystem rstat trees
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:39:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <zwdpnhzxebx64pbvd5wtwje6gixbu4lifw2qzrmnybledtform@cc6g4bznoz6v> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z3hf5wrRuw0KylTh@slm.duckdns.org>

On Fri, Jan 03, 2025 at 12:08:39PM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2025 at 05:50:11PM -0800, JP Kobryn wrote:
> ...
> > I reached a point where this started to feel stable in my local testing, so I
> > wanted to share and get feedback on this approach.
> 
> The rationale for using one tree to track all subsystems was that if one
> subsys has been active (e.g. memory), it's likely that other subsyses have
> been active too (e.g. cpu) and thus we might as well flush the whole thing
> together. The approach can be useful for reducing the amount of work done
> when e.g. there are a lot of cgroups which are only active periodically but
> has drawbacks when one subsystem's stats are read a lot more actively than
> others as you pointed out.

I wanted to add two more points to above: (1) One subsystem (memory) has
in-kernel stats consumer with strict latency/performance requirement and
(2) the flush cost of memory stats have drastically increased due to
more than 100 stats it has to maintain.

> 
> Intuitions go only so far and it's difficult to judge whether splitting the
> trees would be a good idea without data. Can you please provide some
> numbers along with rationales for the test setups?

Here I think the supportive data we can show is the (1) non-memory stats
readers not needing to spend time on memory stats flushing and (2) with
per-subsystem update tree, have we increased the cost of update tree
insertion in general?

Anything else you think will be needed?

Thanks Tejun for taking a look.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-13 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-03  1:50 JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9 v2] cgroup: change cgroup to css in rstat updated and flush api JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9 v2] cgroup: change cgroup to css in rstat internal flush and lock funcs JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9 v2] cgroup: change cgroup to css in rstat init and exit api JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9 v2] cgroup: split rstat from cgroup into separate css JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9 v2] cgroup: separate locking between base css and others JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9 v2] cgroup: isolate base stat flush JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9 v2] cgroup: remove unneeded rcu list JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9 v2] cgroup: remove bpf rstat flush from css generic flush JP Kobryn
2025-01-03  1:50 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9 v2] cgroup: avoid allocating rstat when flush func not present JP Kobryn
2025-01-03 22:08 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9 v2] cgroup: separate per-subsystem rstat trees Tejun Heo
2025-01-13 18:39   ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2025-01-13 19:14     ` Tejun Heo
2025-01-06 23:13 ` Yosry Ahmed

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