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From: "Juan J. Quintela" <quintela@fi.udc.es>
To: Timur Tabi <ttabi@interactivesi.com>
Cc: Linux MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: 2.4: why is NR_GFPINDEX so large?
Date: 21 Jun 2000 23:24:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yttvgz2k9s9.fsf@serpe.mitica> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Timur Tabi's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:59:51 -0500"

>>>>> "timur" == Timur Tabi <ttabi@interactivesi.com> writes:

timur> ** Reply to message from Kanoj Sarcar <kanoj@google.engr.sgi.com> on Wed, 21
timur> Jun 2000 13:49:56 -0700 (PDT)


>> Yes, this is saying that although we waste physical memory (which few
>> people care about any more), some of the unused space is never cached,
>> since it is not accessed (although hardware processor prefetches might
>> change this assumption a little bit). So, valuable cache space is not 
>> wasted that can be used to hold data/code that is actually used.
>> 
>> What I was warning you about is that if you shrink the array to the
>> exact size, there might be other data that comes on the same cacheline,
>> which might cause all kinds of interesting behavior (I think they call
>> this false cache sharing or some such thing).

timur> Ok, I understand your explanation, but I have a hard time seeing how false
timur> cache sharing can be a bad thing.

timur> If the cache sucks up a bunch of zeros that are never used, that's definitely
timur> wasted cache space.  How can that be any better than sucking up some real data
timur> that can be used?



You put there a variable that is written a lot of times, then the
cache line with that array will be doing ping pong from one CPU to the
other.  Now, like it is a read only data, it can be in both caches at
the same time.  If you have a lot of CPUs problem become worst.

Later, Juan.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-06-21 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-06-21 19:48 Timur Tabi
2000-06-21 19:56 ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-06-21 19:57   ` Timur Tabi
2000-06-21 20:23     ` Puppetmaster
2000-06-21 20:37       ` Timur Tabi
2000-06-21 20:37     ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-06-21 20:41       ` Timur Tabi
2000-06-21 20:49         ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-06-21 20:59           ` Timur Tabi
2000-06-21 21:10             ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-06-21 21:28               ` Timur Tabi
2000-06-21 21:41                 ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-06-21 21:43                   ` Timur Tabi
2000-06-22 19:26                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-22 19:51                   ` Jamie Lokier
2000-06-23 17:41                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-23 17:52                       ` Jamie Lokier
2000-06-23 18:02                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-23 18:03                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-22 20:22                   ` Kanoj Sarcar
2000-06-23 18:11                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-06-21 21:22             ` James Manning
2000-06-21 21:24             ` Juan J. Quintela [this message]
2000-06-21 21:15 frankeh

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