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From: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <klamm@yandex-team.ru>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:52:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xr934mzt4rwc.fsf@gthelen.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1402066010-25901-2-git-send-email-mhocko@suse.cz>


On Fri, Jun 06 2014, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz> wrote:

> Some users (e.g. Google) would like to have stronger semantic than low
> limit offers currently. The fallback mode is not desirable and they
> prefer hitting OOM killer rather than ignoring low limit for protected
> groups. There are other possible usecases which can benefit from hard
> guarantees. I can imagine workloads where setting low_limit to the same
> value as hard_limit to prevent from any reclaim at all makes a lot of
> sense because reclaim is much more disrupting than restart of the load.
>
> This patch adds a new per memcg memory.reclaim_strategy knob which
> tells what to do in a situation when memory reclaim cannot do any
> progress because all groups in the reclaimed hierarchy are within their
> low_limit. There are two options available:
> 	- low_limit_best_effort - the current mode when reclaim falls
> 	  back to the even reclaim of all groups in the reclaimed
> 	  hierarchy
> 	- low_limit_guarantee - groups within low_limit are never
> 	  reclaimed and OOM killer is triggered instead. OOM message
> 	  will mention the fact that the OOM was triggered due to
> 	  low_limit reclaim protection.

To (a) be consistent with existing hard and soft limits APIs and (b)
allow use of both best effort and guarantee memory limits, I wonder if
it's best to offer three per memcg limits, rather than two limits (hard,
low_limit) and a related reclaim_strategy knob.  The three limits I'm
thinking about are:

1) hard_limit (aka the existing limit_in_bytes cgroupfs file).  No
   change needed here.  This is an upper bound on a memcg hierarchy's
   memory consumption (assuming use_hierarchy=1).

2) best_effort_limit (aka desired working set).  This allow an
   application or administrator to provide a hint to the kernel about
   desired working set size.  Before oom'ing the kernel is allowed to
   reclaim below this limit.  I think the current soft_limit_in_bytes
   claims to provide this.  If we prefer to deprecate
   soft_limit_in_bytes, then a new desired_working_set_in_bytes (or a
   hopefully better named) API seems reasonable.

3) low_limit_guarantee which is a lower bound of memory usage.  A memcg
   would prefer to be oom killed rather than operate below this
   threshold.  Default value is zero to preserve compatibility with
   existing apps.

Logically hard_limit >= best_effort_limit >= low_limit_guarantee.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-09 22:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-28 12:26 [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:55   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:36     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 12:07       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 13:01         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 14:15           ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:04             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:11               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:34                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:48                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:58                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:58       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 16:49         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 22:00           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-05 14:21             ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 16:18               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:15               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:08                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 13:29             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 14:32               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 15:21                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 16:12                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 16:51                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 18:30                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:55                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] memcg: Allow setting low_limit Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] memcg, doc: clarify global vs. limit reclaims Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 23:03   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:43     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:56       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] memcg: Document memory.low_limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:46     ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29  7:42   ` Greg Thelen
2014-04-29 10:50     ` Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29 12:54       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-30 22:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 12:03   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-02 11:22   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 13:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 14:21     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 15:28       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 15:54         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 16:33           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-03 11:07             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:22               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 14:46                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-04 15:44                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 19:18                     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-04 21:45                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 14:51                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:10                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:43                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 18:23                               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-06 14:44                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                   ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 15:29                                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-06 15:34                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09  8:30                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-09 13:54                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09 22:52                                       ` Greg Thelen [this message]
2014-06-10 16:57                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-10 22:16                                           ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-11  7:57                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow guarantee reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:36                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 13:22                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 13:56                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 14:22                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 16:17                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 12:59                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 13:57                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:04                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:12                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:29                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:40                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-12 16:51                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-16 13:22                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:20                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:14                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 12:31                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-11 14:11                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:34                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 19:36                       ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 14:32                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 15:43                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:46                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 16:17         ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 11:09           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:01             ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 14:44               ` Michal Hocko

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