From: Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <klamm@yandex-team.ru>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 15:52:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xr934mzt4rwc.fsf@gthelen.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1402066010-25901-2-git-send-email-mhocko@suse.cz>
On Fri, Jun 06 2014, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz> wrote:
> Some users (e.g. Google) would like to have stronger semantic than low
> limit offers currently. The fallback mode is not desirable and they
> prefer hitting OOM killer rather than ignoring low limit for protected
> groups. There are other possible usecases which can benefit from hard
> guarantees. I can imagine workloads where setting low_limit to the same
> value as hard_limit to prevent from any reclaim at all makes a lot of
> sense because reclaim is much more disrupting than restart of the load.
>
> This patch adds a new per memcg memory.reclaim_strategy knob which
> tells what to do in a situation when memory reclaim cannot do any
> progress because all groups in the reclaimed hierarchy are within their
> low_limit. There are two options available:
> - low_limit_best_effort - the current mode when reclaim falls
> back to the even reclaim of all groups in the reclaimed
> hierarchy
> - low_limit_guarantee - groups within low_limit are never
> reclaimed and OOM killer is triggered instead. OOM message
> will mention the fact that the OOM was triggered due to
> low_limit reclaim protection.
To (a) be consistent with existing hard and soft limits APIs and (b)
allow use of both best effort and guarantee memory limits, I wonder if
it's best to offer three per memcg limits, rather than two limits (hard,
low_limit) and a related reclaim_strategy knob. The three limits I'm
thinking about are:
1) hard_limit (aka the existing limit_in_bytes cgroupfs file). No
change needed here. This is an upper bound on a memcg hierarchy's
memory consumption (assuming use_hierarchy=1).
2) best_effort_limit (aka desired working set). This allow an
application or administrator to provide a hint to the kernel about
desired working set size. Before oom'ing the kernel is allowed to
reclaim below this limit. I think the current soft_limit_in_bytes
claims to provide this. If we prefer to deprecate
soft_limit_in_bytes, then a new desired_working_set_in_bytes (or a
hopefully better named) API seems reasonable.
3) low_limit_guarantee which is a lower bound of memory usage. A memcg
would prefer to be oom killed rather than operate below this
threshold. Default value is zero to preserve compatibility with
existing apps.
Logically hard_limit >= best_effort_limit >= low_limit_guarantee.
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Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-28 12:26 [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 9:36 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 12:07 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 13:01 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 14:15 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:04 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:11 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:34 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:48 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:58 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:58 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 16:49 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 22:00 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-05 14:21 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-19 16:18 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:15 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:08 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 13:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 14:32 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 15:21 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 16:12 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 16:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 18:30 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:55 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] memcg: Allow setting low_limit Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] memcg, doc: clarify global vs. limit reclaims Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 23:03 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 9:43 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:56 ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] memcg: Document memory.low_limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:57 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 9:46 ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29 7:42 ` Greg Thelen
2014-04-29 10:50 ` Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29 12:54 ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-30 22:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 12:03 ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-02 11:22 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 13:49 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 14:21 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 15:28 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 15:54 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 16:33 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-03 11:07 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:22 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 14:46 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-04 15:44 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 19:18 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-04 21:45 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 14:51 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:10 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:43 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 18:23 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-06 14:44 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46 ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 15:29 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-06 15:34 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09 8:30 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-09 13:54 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09 22:52 ` Greg Thelen [this message]
2014-06-10 16:57 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-10 22:16 ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-11 7:57 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 8:00 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 8:00 ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow guarantee reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:36 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 13:22 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 13:56 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 14:22 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 16:17 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 12:59 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 13:57 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:04 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:12 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:29 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:40 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-12 16:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-16 13:22 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:20 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:14 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 12:31 ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-11 14:11 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:34 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 19:36 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 14:32 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 15:43 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:09 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:46 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 16:17 ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 11:09 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:01 ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 14:44 ` Michal Hocko
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