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From: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
To: Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, hughd@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	 roman.gushchin@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	david@kernel.org,  lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, ziy@nvidia.com,
	harry.yoo@oracle.com, imran.f.khan@oracle.com,
	 kamalesh.babulal@oracle.com, axelrasmussen@google.com,
	yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com,
	 chenridong@huaweicloud.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	hamzamahfooz@linux.microsoft.com,  apais@linux.microsoft.com,
	lance.yang@linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 11:52:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xlvmvjieqfltqtf5y6y37elcwstrhs6sp7qco2npgucdd4ggus@icfvpgxrwljl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63c958ae-9db2-4da8-935b-a596cc8535d3@linux.dev>

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On Tue, Dec 23, 2025 at 04:36:18PM -0800, Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
...
> The core stats update functions are mod_memcg_state() and
> mod_memcg_lruvec_state(). If for v1 only, we add additional check for
> CSS_DYING and go to parent if CSS_DYING is set then shouldn't we avoid
> this issue?

...and go to first !CSS_DYING ancestor :-/ (as the whole chain of memcgs
can be offlined)

IIUC thanks to the reparenting charging (modifying state) to an offlined
memcg should be an exception...


On Mon, Dec 29, 2025 at 05:42:43PM +0800, Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev> wrote:

> > We do reparenting in css_offline() callback and cgroup offlining
> > happen somewhat like this:
> > 
> > 1. Set CSS_DYING
> > 2. Trigger percpu ref kill
> > 3. Kernel makes sure css ref killed is seen by all CPUs and then trigger
> >     css_offline callback.
> 
> it seems that we can add the following to
> mem_cgroup_css_free():
> 
> parent->vmstats->state_local += child->vmstats->state_local;
> 
> Right? I will continue to take a closer look.

...and the time between offlining and free'ing a memcg should not be
arbitrarily long anymore (right?, the crux of the series).
So only transferring local stats in mem_cgroup_css_free should yield a
correct result after limited time range (with possible underflows
between) with no special precaution for CSS_DYING on charging side.

0.02€,
Michal

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-29 10:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-17  7:27 Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 01/28] mm: memcontrol: remove dead code of checking parent memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 23:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 02/28] mm: workingset: use folio_lruvec() in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 23:32   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 03/28] mm: rename unlock_page_lruvec_irq and its variants Qi Zheng
2025-12-18  9:00   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 23:34   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 04/28] mm: vmscan: prepare for the refactoring the move_folios_to_lru() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:13   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  9:04   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18  9:31     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 23:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-25  3:45   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 05/28] mm: vmscan: refactor move_folios_to_lru() Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  0:04   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 06/28] mm: memcontrol: allocate object cgroup for non-kmem case Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:22   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:25     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  0:23   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-25  6:23   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 07/28] mm: memcontrol: return root object cgroup for root memory cgroup Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:28   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  0:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-26  1:03   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-26  3:10     ` Muchun Song
2025-12-26  3:50       ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-26  3:58         ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 08/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in get_mem_cgroup_from_folio() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:45   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:31     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  2:09     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-19  3:53       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  3:56         ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 09/28] buffer: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_alloc_buffers() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 21:45   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  2:14   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-26  2:01     ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 10/28] writeback: prevent memory cgroup release in writeback module Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:08   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19  2:30   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 11/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in count_memcg_folio_events() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:11   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19 23:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-26  2:12   ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 12/28] mm: page_io: prevent memory cgroup release in page_io module Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:12   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-19 23:44   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 13/28] mm: migrate: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_migrate_mapping() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:14   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  9:09   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18  9:36     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18  9:43       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 11:40         ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 11:56           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 13:00             ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:04               ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 13:16                 ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-19  4:12                   ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-19  6:18                     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-18 14:26     ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:42       ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-30 20:07       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-19 23:51   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 14/28] mm: mglru: prevent memory cgroup release in mglru Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:18   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:50     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-20  0:58     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 15/28] mm: memcontrol: prevent memory cgroup release in mem_cgroup_swap_full() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:21   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:05   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-22  4:02     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-26  2:29     ` Chen Ridong
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 16/28] mm: workingset: prevent memory cgroup release in lru_gen_eviction() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:23   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:06   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 17/28] mm: thp: prevent memory cgroup release in folio_split_queue_lock{_irqsave}() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:27   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:11     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-22  3:33       ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18  9:10   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 18/28] mm: zswap: prevent memory cgroup release in zswap_compress() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:27   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:14   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 19/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_refault() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:30   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  6:57     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 20/28] mm: zswap: prevent lruvec release in zswap_folio_swapin() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:33   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18  7:09     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:02       ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:23   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 21/28] mm: swap: prevent lruvec release in lru_gen_clear_refs() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:34   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:24   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 22/28] mm: workingset: prevent lruvec release in workingset_activation() Qi Zheng
2025-12-17 22:36   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-20  1:25   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 23/28] mm: memcontrol: prepare for reparenting LRU pages for lruvec lock Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:00   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-18 13:17     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-20  2:03   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-23  6:14     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 24/28] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting traditional LRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:32   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:55     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 25/28] mm: vmscan: prepare for reparenting MGLRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 26/28] mm: memcontrol: refactor memcg_reparent_objcgs() Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 13:45   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:56     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 27/28] mm: memcontrol: eliminate the problem of dying memory cgroup for LRU folios Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 14:06   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-22  3:59     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-17  7:27 ` [PATCH v2 28/28] mm: lru: add VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO to lru maintenance helpers Qi Zheng
2025-12-18 14:07   ` Johannes Weiner
2025-12-23 20:04 ` [PATCH v2 00/28] Eliminate Dying Memory Cgroup Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-23 23:20   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-24  0:07     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-24  0:36       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-24  0:43         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-24  0:58           ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-29  9:42             ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-29 10:52               ` Michal Koutný [this message]
2025-12-29  7:48     ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-29  9:35       ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-29  9:46         ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-29 10:53         ` Michal Koutný
2025-12-24  8:43   ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-24 14:51     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-12-26 11:24       ` Harry Yoo
2025-12-30  1:36 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30  2:44   ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-30  4:20     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30  4:25       ` Qi Zheng
2025-12-30  4:48         ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30 16:46           ` Zi Yan
2025-12-30 18:13             ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30 19:18               ` Chris Mason
2025-12-30 20:51                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-12-30 21:10                   ` Chris Mason
2025-12-30 22:30                     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 22:03                   ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 21:07                 ` Zi Yan
2025-12-30 19:34             ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 21:13               ` Zi Yan
2025-12-30  4:01   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30  4:11     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-12-30 18:36       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-12-30 20:47         ` Roman Gushchin

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