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From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/35] Memory allocation profiling
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2024 11:38:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wbe5dfkrjpspzykhbi4dshhfgc4t3jpyymutogppyyevzxyyra@r32wpro3xrbi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4bb7b1e4-d107-4708-bb65-ac44d4af9959@suse.cz>

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 11:20:26AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 2/14/24 00:08, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > And, as I keep saying: that alloc_hooks() macro will also get us _per
> > callsite fault injection points_, and we really need that because - if
> > you guys have been paying attention to other threads - whenever moving
> > more stuff to PF_MEMALLOC_* flags comes up (including adding
> > PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM), the issue of small allocations not failing and
> > not being testable keeps coming up.
> 
> How exactly do you envision the fault injection to help here? The proposals
> are about scoping via a process flag, and the process may then call just
> about anything under that scope. So if our tool is per callsite fault
> injection points, how do we know which callsites to enable to focus the
> fault injection on the particular scope?

So the question with fault injection is - how do we integrate it into
our existing tests?

We need fault injection that we can integrate into our existing tests
because that's the only way to get the code coverage we need - writing
new tests that cover all the error paths isn't going to happen, and
wouldn't work as well anyways.

But the trouble with injecting memory allocation failures is that
they'll result in errors bubbling up to userspace, and in unpredictable
ways.

We _definitely_ cannot enable random memory allocation faults for the
entire kernel at runttme - or rather we _could_, and that would actually
be great to do as a side project; but that's not something we can do in
our existing automated tests because the results will be completely
unpredictable. If we did that the goal would be to just make sure the
kernel doesn't explode - but what we actually want is for our automated
pass/fail tests to still pass; we need to constrain what will fail.

So we need at a minumum to be able to only enable memory allocation
failures for the code we're interested in testing (file/module) -
enabling memory allocation failures in some other random subsystem we're
not developing or looking at isn't what we want.

Beyond that, it's very much subsystem dependent. For bcachefs, my main
strategy has been to flip on random (1%) memory allocation failures
after the filesystem has mounted. During startup, we do a ton of
allocations (I cover those with separate tests), but after startup we
should be able to run normally in the precence of allocation failures
without ever returning an error to userspace - so that's what I'm trying
to test.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-14 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-12 21:38 Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 01/35] lib/string_helpers: Add flags param to string_get_size() Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:09   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  8:26   ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-13  8:29     ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-13 23:55       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-13 22:06     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-29 20:54       ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-14 20:11   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 02/35] scripts/kallysms: Always include __start and __stop symbols Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:06   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 03/35] fs: Convert alloc_inode_sb() to a macro Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:07   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 04/35] mm: enumerate all gfp flags Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:10   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 05/35] mm: introduce slabobj_ext to support slab object extensions Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:14   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  2:20     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 17:59   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-14 19:19     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 06/35] mm: introduce __GFP_NO_OBJ_EXT flag to selectively prevent slabobj_ext creation Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:14   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 07/35] mm/slab: introduce SLAB_NO_OBJ_EXT to avoid obj_ext creation Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:14   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-15 21:31   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-15 21:37     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-15 21:50       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-15 22:10         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16 18:41           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16 18:49             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 08/35] mm: prevent slabobj_ext allocations for slabobj_ext and kmem_cache objects Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:15   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-15 21:44   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-15 22:13     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 09/35] slab: objext: introduce objext_flags as extension to page_memcg_data_flags Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:15   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 10/35] lib: code tagging framework Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:27   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  2:04     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16  7:22       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 11/35] lib: code tagging module support Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 12/35] lib: prevent module unloading if memory is not freed Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:38 ` [PATCH v3 13/35] lib: add allocation tagging support for memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:40   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  1:01     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13 22:28       ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 22:35         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13 22:38           ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13 22:47             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-16  8:50             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-16  8:55               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16 23:26     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-17  0:08       ` Kees Cook
2024-02-16  0:54   ` Andrew Morton
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2024-02-16  9:02           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16  9:03             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16 17:18             ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-02-17 20:10               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-16  8:57   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-18  2:21     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 14/35] lib: introduce support for page allocation tagging Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16  9:45   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-16 16:44     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 15/35] mm: percpu: increase PERCPU_MODULE_RESERVE to accommodate allocation tags Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 16/35] change alloc_pages name in dma_map_ops to avoid name conflicts Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 17/35] mm: enable page allocation tagging Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:59   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 18/35] mm: create new codetag references during page splitting Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16 14:33   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-16 16:46     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-18  0:44       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 19/35] mm/page_ext: enable early_page_ext when CONFIG_MEM_ALLOC_PROFILING_DEBUG=y Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 20/35] lib: add codetag reference into slabobj_ext Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16 15:36   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-16 17:04     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 21/35] mm/slab: add allocation accounting into slab allocation and free paths Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:59   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-16 16:31   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-16 16:38     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-16 17:11       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 22/35] mm/slab: enable slab allocation tagging for kmalloc and friends Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 23:01   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-16 16:52   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-16 17:03     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 23/35] mm/slub: Mark slab_free_freelist_hook() __always_inline Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13  0:31   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  0:34     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13  2:08     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14 15:13       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-15  4:04         ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 24/35] mempool: Hook up to memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 25/35] xfs: Memory allocation profiling fixups Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 22:22   ` Dave Chinner
2024-02-14 22:36     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 26/35] mm: percpu: Introduce pcpuobj_ext Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 27/35] mm: percpu: Add codetag reference into pcpuobj_ext Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 28/35] mm: percpu: enable per-cpu allocation tagging Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 29/35] mm: vmalloc: Enable memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 30/35] rhashtable: Plumb through alloc tag Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 31/35] lib: add memory allocations report in show_mem() Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13  0:10   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  0:22     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-13  4:33       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-13  8:17         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-15  9:22   ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-15 14:58     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-15 16:44       ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-15 16:47         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-15 18:29           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-15 18:33             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-15 18:38               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-15 18:41             ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-15 18:49               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-15 20:22             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-15 20:33               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-15 21:54                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-15 22:54                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-15 23:07                 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-15 23:16                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-15 23:27                     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-15 23:56                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-19 17:17                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-20 16:23                           ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-20 17:18                             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-20 17:24                               ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-20 17:32                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-20 18:27                           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-20 20:59                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-21 13:21                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2024-02-21 18:26                               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-15 23:19                   ` Dave Hansen
2024-02-15 23:54                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-15 23:51                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-16  0:21                     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-16  0:32                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-16  0:39                         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-02-16  0:50                           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 32/35] codetag: debug: skip objext checking when it's for objext itself Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-16 18:39   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-19  1:04     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-19  9:17       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-19 16:55         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 33/35] codetag: debug: mark codetags for reserved pages as empty Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:45   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  0:15     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 34/35] codetag: debug: introduce OBJEXTS_ALLOC_FAIL to mark failed slab_ext allocations Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:49   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  0:09     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 21:39 ` [PATCH v3 35/35] MAINTAINERS: Add entries for code tagging and memory allocation profiling Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-12 22:43   ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  0:33     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13  0:14 ` [PATCH v3 00/35] Memory " Pasha Tatashin
2024-02-13  0:29 ` Kees Cook
2024-02-13  0:47   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13 12:24 ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-13 21:58   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13 22:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 22:09       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-13 22:17         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 22:29           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-13 23:11             ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-02-13 23:24               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-13 22:30           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13 22:48             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 22:50               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-13 22:57                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 22:59                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13 23:02                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 23:12                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-13 23:22                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 23:28                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-13 23:54                           ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-02-14  0:04                             ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14 10:01                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-13 23:08                   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14 10:20                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-02-14 16:38                       ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2024-02-14 15:00                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-14 15:13                       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14 13:23                   ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-14 16:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2024-02-14 17:14                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 17:52                     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14 19:24                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 20:00                         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14  6:20 ` Johannes Weiner
2024-02-14 14:46   ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-14 15:01     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14 16:02       ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-14 16:17         ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-14 16:31           ` Michal Hocko
2024-02-14 17:14             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 18:44 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-02-14 18:51   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 18:53 ` Tim Chen
2024-02-14 19:09   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 20:17     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-02-14 20:30       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-02-14 22:59         ` Tim Chen
2024-02-16  8:38 ` Jani Nikula
2024-02-16  8:42   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-02-16  9:07     ` Jani Nikula

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