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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
	 Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] memcg: no refill for offlined objcg
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 11:44:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ttlcvw2jiwloctvqblvoo4mdn7cg7av6uzauzjlwnpyevghnpt@jthjpbztrvii> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7ia47c3r1sb0.fsf@castle.c.googlers.com>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:59:47PM +0000, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> writes:
> 
> > In our fleet, we are observing refill_obj_stock() spending a lot of cpu
> > in obj_cgroup_get() and on further inspection it seems like the given
> > objcg is offlined and the kernel has to take the slow path i.e. atomic
> > operations for objcg reference counting.
> >
> > Other than expensive atomic operations, refilling stock of an offlined
> > objcg is a waster as there will not be new allocations for the offlined
> > objcg. In addition, refilling triggers flush of the previous objcg which
> > might be used in future. So, let's just avoid refilling the stock with
> > the offlined objcg.
> 
> Hm, but on the other side if there are multiple uncharges in a row,
> refilling obj stocks might be still cheaper?
> 

Thanks for the review. I looked at the fleet data again and what you are
suspecting i.e. multiple objects of same objcg getting freed closeby is
possible. I think I should be optimizing/batching at the upper layer. I
will be looking at rcu freeing side which is the most obvious batching
opportunity.

> In general I think that switching to atomic css refcnt on memcg
> offlining is a mistake - it makes memory reclaim generally more
> expensive. We can simple delay it until the approximate refcnt
> number reaches some low value, e.g. 100 objects.

This is a good idea. For the memcg, I think after Muchun's LRU
reparenting, we should not have zombie refcnt slowdown but for objcg
this idea might help. Anyways this is for later.


      reply	other threads:[~2025-04-14 18:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-10 21:05 Shakeel Butt
2025-04-10 23:59 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-04-14 18:44   ` Shakeel Butt [this message]

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