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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	 Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 10/10] memcg: no more irq disabling for stock locks
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 10:02:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t6gqzrhipj3zxmev7pdmxbbbkx76eyscvkn4m66ifwcq3kfqtx@7jmqtzu5bs54> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250314164234.KHdt_CWt@linutronix.de>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 05:42:34PM +0100, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2025-03-14 08:55:51 [-0700], Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2025 at 12:58:02PM +0100, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > > On 2025-03-14 11:54:34 [+0100], Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > > > On 3/14/25 07:15, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > > > > Let's switch all memcg_stock locks acquire and release places to not
> > > > > disable and enable irqs. There are two still functions (i.e.
> > > > > mod_objcg_state() and drain_obj_stock) which needs to disable irqs to
> > > > > update the stats on non-RT kernels. For now add a simple wrapper for
> > > > > that functionality.
> > > > 
> > > > BTW, which part of __mod_objcg_mlstate() really needs disabled irqs and not
> > > > just preemption? I see it does rcu_read_lock() anyway, which disables
> > > > preemption. Then in __mod_memcg_lruvec_state() we do some __this_cpu_add()
> > > > updates. I think these also are fine with just disabled preemption as they
> > > > are atomic vs irqs (but don't need LOCK prefix to be atomic vs other cpus
> > > > updates).
> > > 
> > > __this_cpu_add() is not safe if also used in interrupt context. Some
> > > architectures (not x86) implemented as read, add, write.
> > > this_cpu_add()() does the same but disables interrupts during the
> > > operation.
> > > So __this_cpu_add() should not be used if interrupts are not disabled
> > > and a modification can happen from interrupt context.
> > 
> > So, if I use this_cpu_add() instead of __this_cpu_add() in
> > __mod_memcg_state(), __mod_memcg_lruvec_state(), __count_memcg_events()
> > then I can call these functions without disabling interrupts. Also
> > this_cpu_add() does not disable interrupts for x86 and arm64, correct?
> > For x86 and arm64, can I assume that the cost of this_cpu_add() is the
> > same as __this_cpu_add()?
> 
> on arm64, __this_cpu_add will "load, add, store". preemptible.
> this_cpu_add() will "disable preemption, atomic-load, add, atomic-store or
> start over with atomic-load. if succeeded enable preemption and move an"

So, this_cpu_add() on arm64 is not protected against interrupts but is
protected against preemption. We have a following comment in
include/linux/percpu-defs.h. Is this not true anymore?

/*
 * Operations with implied preemption/interrupt protection.  These
 * operations can be used without worrying about preemption or interrupt.
 */
...
#define this_cpu_add(pcp, val)          __pcpu_size_call(this_cpu_add_, pcp, val)

> 
> so no, this is not the same. On x86 it is possible to increment a memory
> value directly with one opcode so you get preempted either before or
> after that operation.
> 
> Sebastian


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-14 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-14  6:15 [RFC PATCH 00/10] memcg: stock code cleanups Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] memcg: remove root memcg check from refill_stock Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] memcg: decouple drain_obj_stock from local stock Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14  9:57   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] memcg: introduce memcg_uncharge Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 10:01   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] memcg: manually inline __refill_stock Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 10:05   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] memcg: no refilling stock from obj_cgroup_release Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 10:09   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14 11:26   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14 15:25     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] memcg: do obj_cgroup_put inside drain_obj_stock Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 10:17   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14 11:35     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14 15:29       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] memcg: use __mod_memcg_state in drain_obj_stock Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 10:27   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14 11:44     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14 11:38   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] memcg: assert in_task for couple of local_lock holders Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] memcg: trylock stock for objcg Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 11:47   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14 15:33     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14  6:15 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] memcg: no more irq disabling for stock locks Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 10:54   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14 11:58     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14 15:55       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 16:42         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14 17:02           ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2025-03-14 17:38             ` Shakeel Butt
2025-03-14 18:19             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-03-14 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 00/10] memcg: stock code cleanups Vlastimil Babka
2025-03-14 16:03   ` Shakeel Butt

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