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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>
Cc: hannes@cmpxchg.org, nphamcs@gmail.com, mhocko@kernel.org,
	 roman.gushchin@linux.dev, muchun.song@linux.dev, tj@kernel.org,
	lizefan.x@bytedance.com,  mkoutny@suse.com, corbet@lwn.net,
	lnyng@meta.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	 cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/1] memcg/hugetlb: Adding hugeTLB counters to memcg
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:38:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <t5t72ygnlnb2oobagh35a5nyg7h4n4ir6dcm5mkebzbzj3ph7d@37i64rldiw5j> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241028210505.1950884-1-joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 02:05:05PM GMT, Joshua Hahn wrote:
> This patch introduces a new counter to memory.stat that tracks hugeTLB
> usage, only if hugeTLB accounting is done to memory.current. This
> feature is enabled the same way hugeTLB accounting is enabled, via
> the memory_hugetlb_accounting mount flag for cgroupsv2.
> 
> 1. Why is this patch necessary?
> Currently, memcg hugeTLB accounting is an opt-in feature [1] that adds
> hugeTLB usage to memory.current. However, the metric is not reported in
> memory.stat. Given that users often interpret memory.stat as a breakdown
> of the value reported in memory.current, the disparity between the two
> reports can be confusing. This patch solves this problem by including
> the metric in memory.stat as well, but only if it is also reported in
> memory.current (it would also be confusing if the value was reported in
> memory.stat, but not in memory.current)
> 
> Aside from the consistency between the two files, we also see benefits
> in observability. Userspace might be interested in the hugeTLB footprint
> of cgroups for many reasons. For instance, system admins might want to
> verify that hugeTLB usage is distributed as expected across tasks: i.e.
> memory-intensive tasks are using more hugeTLB pages than tasks that
> don't consume a lot of memory, or are seen to fault frequently. Note that
> this is separate from wanting to inspect the distribution for limiting
> purposes (in which case, hugeTLB controller makes more sense).
> 
> 2. We already have a hugeTLB controller. Why not use that?
> It is true that hugeTLB tracks the exact value that we want. In fact, by
> enabling the hugeTLB controller, we get all of the observability
> benefits that I mentioned above, and users can check the total hugeTLB
> usage, verify if it is distributed as expected, etc.
> 
> With this said, there are 2 problems:
> (a) They are still not reported in memory.stat, which means the
>     disparity between the memcg reports are still there.
> (b) We cannot reasonably expect users to enable the hugeTLB controller
>     just for the sake of hugeTLB usage reporting, especially since
>     they don't have any use for hugeTLB usage enforcing [2].
> 
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20231006184629.155543-1-nphamcs@gmail.com/
> [2] Of course, we can't make a new patch for every feature that can be
>     duplicated. However, since the existing solution of enabling the
>     hugeTLB controller is an imperfect solution that still leaves a
>     discrepancy between memory.stat and memory.curent, I think that it
>     is reasonable to isolate the feature in this case.
>  
> Suggested-by: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
> Suggested-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
> Signed-off-by: Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>

Acked-by: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-28 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-28 21:05 Joshua Hahn
2024-10-28 22:38 ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2024-10-29 20:28 ` Roman Gushchin
2024-10-29 20:48 ` Johannes Weiner
2024-10-29 21:04 ` Nhat Pham
2024-10-30 11:35 ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-30 15:01   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-10-30 15:27     ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-30 18:30       ` Johannes Weiner
2024-10-30 20:43         ` Joshua Hahn
2024-10-30 23:26           ` Andrew Morton
2024-10-31  8:12           ` Michal Hocko
2024-10-31 16:09             ` Johannes Weiner
2024-10-31 19:03             ` Joshua Hahn
2024-11-01  1:34               ` Andrew Morton
2024-11-01 18:33                 ` Joshua Hahn
2024-11-01 20:02                   ` Andrew Morton
2024-11-01 20:28                     ` Joshua Hahn
2024-10-30 14:52 ` Chris Down

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