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From: Christoph Rohland <cr@sap.com>
To: mingo@elte.hu
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	"Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	Roger Larsson <roger.larsson@norran.net>,
	MM mailing list <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 - fixing deadlocks
Date: 27 Sep 2000 11:24:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <qwwem266vc1.fsf@sap.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Ingo Molnar's message of "Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:28:19 +0200 (CEST)"

Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> writes:

> On 27 Sep 2000, Christoph Rohland wrote:
> 
> > Nobody should rely on shm swapping for productive use. But you have
> > changing/increasing loads on application servers and out of a sudden
> > you run oom. In this case the system should behave and it is _very_
> > good to have a smooth behaviour.
> 
> it might make sense even in production use. If there is some calculation
> that has to be done only once per month, then sure the customer can decide
> to wait for it a few hours until it swaps itself ready, instead of buying
> gigs of RAM just to execute this single operation faster. Uncooperative
> OOM in such cases is a show-stopper. Or are you saying the same thing? :-)

That's what I meant with the coffee break. In a big installation
somebody is always drinking coffee :-)
 
You also have often different loads during daytime and
nighttime. Swapping buffers out to swap disk instead of rereading from
the database makes a lot of sense for this. But a single job should
never swap. (It works for two month and then next month you get the
big escalation and you would love to have hotplug memory)

So swapping happens in productive use. But nobody should rely on
that too much. 

And I completely agree that uncooperative OOM is not acceptable.

Greetings
		Christoph
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Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-09-24 10:11 __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:40   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 18:39     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-24 18:59         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 19:34         ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 20:20           ` Rui Sousa
2000-09-24 20:24           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 20:26             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:12               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:12                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-24 21:43                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 22:13                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 22:36                       ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 - fixing deadlocks bert hubert
2000-09-24 23:41                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:24                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 17:03                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 18:06                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:32                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:26                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:28                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:26                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 22:51                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 23:03                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 23:18                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-26  0:32                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:30                                       ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-25 23:00                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 19:54                                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 22:44                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 22:42                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-26  6:54                                     ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 14:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26 16:20                                         ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-26 17:10                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  8:11                                             ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27  8:28                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:24                                                 ` Christoph Rohland [this message]
2000-09-27 13:56                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 16:56                                                 ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-27 17:42                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27 18:25                                                     ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 18:55                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 10:08                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:16                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 14:52                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 14:39                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-29 14:55                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-29 15:40                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-28 11:31                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 14:54                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 15:13                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-28 15:23                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-28 16:16                                                         ` Juan J. Quintela
2000-09-28 14:31                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:21                           ` bert hubert
2000-09-25 17:49                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:09                         ` Miles Lane
2000-09-25 15:51                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:06                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:20                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:29                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  4:56                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  5:19                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  6:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  6:17                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 21:21                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 13:42                       ` [CFT][PATCH] ext2 directories in pagecache Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 21:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:16                         ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-26 22:31                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 22:47                             ` Marko Kreen
2000-09-27  7:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27  9:22                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:19                         ` Andreas Dilger
2000-09-26 23:33                           ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-26 23:44                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:09                 ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25  0:49                   ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  0:53                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25  1:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:39                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 15:36                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 10:42                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:02                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:08                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:12                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:30                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:04                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:23                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:27                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:39                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:43                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:01                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:10                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:24                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:26                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:22                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 19:10                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2000-09-26 20:16                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:42                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-27 12:11                                                     ` yodaiken
2000-09-27 14:08                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:09                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 14:26                                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2000-09-25 14:50                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:47                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:16                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:16                                   ` the new VMt Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:33                                     ` the new VM Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:41                                     ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:02                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:04                                         ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:19                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:18                                             ` Andi Kleen
2000-09-25 16:41                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:35                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 16:41                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:49                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:03                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:17                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:10                                                           ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 17:27                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:15                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-27  7:14                                                   ` Rusty Russell
2000-09-25 20:23                                               ` Russell King
2000-09-25 16:28                                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:11                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 16:17                                             ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 16:36                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 16:57                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:01                                                 ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 17:06                                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:31                                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2000-09-25 17:51                                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2000-09-25 19:03                                                     ` the new VMt [4MB+ blocks] Matti Aarnio
2000-09-25 20:02                                                       ` Stephen Williams
2000-09-25 16:33                                             ` the new VMt Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-26  8:38                                             ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-26  8:52                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-26  9:02                                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2000-09-25 16:53                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:42                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:05                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:22                                         ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:42                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 17:39                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:51                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 17:43                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:13                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 18:21                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 19:09                                               ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 19:21                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:52                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 17:18                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 17:51                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:04                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 18:13                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:24                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 18:34                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 18:48                                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2000-09-25 19:25                                                     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 20:04                                                       ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:23                                                         ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 20:35                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:46                                                             ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 21:07                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26  9:54                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:17                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:47                                                             ` Benjamin C.R. LaHaise
2000-09-25 21:12                                                               ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 10:07                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 13:30                                                                   ` yodaiken
2000-09-25 20:32                                                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 12:10                                                           ` Mark Hemment
2000-09-27 10:13                                                             ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-27 12:55                                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2000-09-28  3:25                                                                 ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-25 23:14                                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 15:17                                                           ` yodaiken
2000-09-26 16:04                                                             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:02                                                               ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-26 17:08                                                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-26 17:45                                                                   ` Erik Andersen
2000-09-27 10:20                                                                     ` Andrey Savochkin
2000-09-26 21:13                                                                   ` Eric Lowe
2000-09-25 18:20                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 16:16                                     ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 16:55                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-09-25 15:48                                   ` the new VM Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 15:40                                 ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 16:01                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:37                             ` Rik van Riel
2000-09-25 20:34                               ` Christoph Rohland
2000-10-06 16:14                                 ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-09  7:37                                   ` Christoph Rohland
2000-09-25 13:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:19                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:18                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:31                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:47                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:04                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:31                   ` [patch] vmfixes-2.4.0-test9-B2 Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  1:27                     ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25  2:02                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25  2:01                         ` Alexander Viro
2000-09-25 13:47                         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-25 10:13                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 12:58                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:10                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 13:49                           ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:11                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:05                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 16:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2000-09-25 17:05                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 17:23                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:20                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:11                               ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:33                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:56                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 13:57                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:13                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:08                                 ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:29                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:18                                     ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 14:47                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 21:28                                         ` Jens Axboe
2000-09-25 22:14                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:13                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:29                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 14:46                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-25 14:53                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-09-25 15:02                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-09-24 21:38     ` __GFP_IO && shrink_[d|i]cache_memory()? Stephen C. Tweedie
2000-09-24 23:20       ` Alan Cox

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