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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Cc: Lei Liu <liulei.rjpt@vivo.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	 David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Kemeng Shi <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
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	 Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>, Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v0 0/2] mm: swap: Gather swap entries and batch async release
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:10:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <qisfqncqgkgxh2nj5axafunlfjen6oiciobcrmpus6l3xwrbyj@blxv73pbhzez> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpFaTj8PsXkoYRQKQ0sOu+mKikUAE8Wbcx+YpZXZ4M7cMA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 12:48:02PM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 12:21 PM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 02:53:39PM +0800, Lei Liu wrote:
> > > 1. Problem Scenario
> > > On systems with ZRAM and swap enabled, simultaneous process exits create
> > > contention. The primary bottleneck occurs during swap entry release
> > > operations, causing exiting processes to monopolize CPU resources. This
> > > leads to scheduling delays for high-priority processes.
> > >
> > > 2. Android Use Case
> > > During camera launch, LMKD terminates background processes to free memory.
> >
> > How does LMKD trigger the kills? SIGKILL or cgroup.kill?
> 
> SIGKILL
> 
> >
> > > Exiting processes compete for CPU cycles, delaying the camera preview
> > > thread and causing visible stuttering - directly impacting user
> > > experience.
> >
> > Since the exit/kill is due to low memory situation, punting the memory
> > freeing to a low priority async mechanism will help in improving user
> > experience. Most probably the application (camera preview here) will get
> > into global reclaim and will compete for CPU with the async memory
> > freeing.
> >
> > What we really need is faster memory freeing and we should explore all
> > possible ways. As others suggested fix/improve the bottleneck in the
> > memory freeing path. In addition I think we should explore parallelizing
> > this as well.
> >
> > On Android, I suppose most of the memory is associated with single or
> > small set of processes and parallelizing memory freeing would be
> > challenging. BTW is LMKD using process_mrelease() to release the killed
> > process memory?
> 
> Yes, LMKD has a reaper thread which wakes up and calls
> process_mrelease() after the main LMKD thread issued SIGKILL.
> 

Thanks Suren. I remember Android is planning to use Apps in cgroup. Is
that still the plan? I am actually looking into cgroup.kill, beside
sending SIGKILL, putting the processes of the target cgroup in the oom
reaper list. In addition, making oom reaper able to reap processes in
parallel. I am hoping that functionality to be useful to Android as
well.
> >


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-10 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-09  6:53 Lei Liu
2025-09-09  6:53 ` [PATCH v0 1/2] mm: swap: Gather swap entries and batch async release core Lei Liu
2025-09-10  1:39   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-10  3:12   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-09  6:53 ` [PATCH v0 2/2] mm: swap: Forced swap entries release under memory pressure Lei Liu
2025-09-10  5:36   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-09  7:30 ` [PATCH v0 0/2] mm: swap: Gather swap entries and batch async release Kairui Song
2025-09-09  9:24   ` Barry Song
2025-09-09 16:15     ` Chris Li
2025-09-09 18:01       ` Chris Li
2025-09-10 14:07     ` Lei Liu
2025-10-14 20:42       ` Barry Song
2025-09-09 15:38   ` Chris Li
2025-09-10 14:01   ` Lei Liu
2025-09-09 19:21 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-09 19:48   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10 14:14     ` Lei Liu
2025-09-10 14:56       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10 16:05       ` Chris Li
2025-09-10 20:12       ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-11  3:04         ` Lei Liu
2025-09-10 15:40     ` Chris Li
2025-09-10 20:10     ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2025-09-10 20:41       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-09-10 22:10         ` T.J. Mercier
2025-09-10 22:33           ` Shakeel Butt

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