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From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] bcachefs: Switch to memalloc_flags_do() for vmalloc allocations
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 07:41:19 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <p6474aobgxhzuhjrdrqk47p36f7pwqjkt4ubkq2oky2n3hdgpw@qq4qpywriccr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZtAg8Slmclt8jm4a@tiehlicka>

On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 09:19:13AM GMT, Michal Hocko wrote:
> GFP_NOWAIT is explicitly documented as unsupported
> (__vmalloc_node_range_noprof). vmalloc internals are using
> vmap_purge_lock and blocking notifiers (vmap_notify_list) in rare cases
> so PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM is not really sufficient to provide NOWAIT
> semantic (this is really not just about page tables allocations). There
> might be other places that require blocking - I do not claim to be an
> expert on the vmalloc allocator.

Sure, but those are easily fixed, if necessary. We'd also want to be
explicit on whether NORECLAIM needs to be NOWAIT or just NORECLAIM -
those are slightly different things.

As long as it's NORECLAIM that should be fine - it's really only an
issue if we need to map GFP_NOWAIT to PF_MEMALLOC_*.

> It seems that this discussion is not going to be really productive so I
> will leave you here.

I think you'll find these discussions become much more productive when
you're able to stick to the technical, and when you yourself are able to
listen to counterarguments. I remind you that we hash things out here on
the list; we don't resort to things like "this has been decided" or "the
mm community says"; you need to be properly justifying what you want to
do here.

And if people aren't listening to your arguments, that should be a hint
to you that maybe you aren't making good ones.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-29 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-28 14:06 Kent Overstreet
2024-08-28 18:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-08-28 19:11   ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-28 19:26     ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-28 22:58       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29  7:19         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 11:41           ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2024-08-29 11:08         ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 11:55           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 12:34             ` Michal Hocko
2024-08-29 12:42               ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-29 14:27             ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-30  3:39               ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-08-31 15:46                 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-08-30  9:14               ` Yafang Shao
2024-08-30 15:25                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-09-02  3:00                   ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-01  3:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2024-09-02  3:02                   ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02  8:11                     ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-02  9:01                       ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-02  9:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03  6:34                           ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-03  7:18                             ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03 12:44                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2024-09-03 13:15                               ` Yafang Shao
2024-09-03 14:03                                 ` Michal Hocko
2024-09-03 13:30                               ` Michal Hocko

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