From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
david@redhat.com, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org,
surenb@google.com, donettom@linux.ibm.com,
aboorvad@linux.ibm.com, sj@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix the inaccurate memory statistics issue for users
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2025 10:29:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <obfnlpvc4tmb6gbd4mw7h7jamp3kouyhnpl4cusetyctswznod@yr6dyrsbay6w> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aD8LKHfCca1wQ5pS@tiehlicka>
On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 04:48:08PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 03-06-25 22:22:46, Baolin Wang wrote:
> > Let me try to clarify further.
> >
> > The 'mm->rss_stat' is updated by using add_mm_counter(),
> > dec/inc_mm_counter(), which are all wrappers around
> > percpu_counter_add_batch(). In percpu_counter_add_batch(), there is percpu
> > batch caching to avoid 'fbc->lock' contention.
>
> OK, this is exactly the line of argument I was looking for. If _all_
> updates done in the kernel are using batching and therefore the lock is
> only held every N (percpu_counter_batch) updates then a risk of locking
> contention would be decreased. This is worth having a note in the
> changelog.
>
> > This patch changes task_mem()
> > and task_statm() to get the accurate mm counters under the 'fbc->lock', but
> > this will not exacerbate kernel 'mm->rss_stat' lock contention due to the
> > the percpu batch caching of the mm counters.
> >
> > You might argue that my test cases cannot demonstrate an actual lock
> > contention, but they have already shown that there is no significant
> > 'fbc->lock' contention when the kernel updates 'mm->rss_stat'.
>
> I was arguing that `top -d 1' doesn't really represent a potential
> adverse usage. These proc files are generally readable so I would be
> expecting something like busy loop read while process tries to update
> counters to see the worst case scenario. If that is barely visible then
> we can conclude a normal use wouldn't even notice.
>
Baolin, please run stress-ng command that stresses minor anon page
faults in multiple threads and then run multiple bash scripts which cat
/proc/pidof(stress-ng)/status. That should be how much the stress-ng
process is impacted by the parallel status readers versus without them.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-03 17:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-05-24 1:59 Baolin Wang
2025-05-30 3:53 ` Andrew Morton
2025-05-30 13:39 ` Michal Hocko
2025-05-30 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
2025-06-03 8:08 ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-03 8:15 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-03 8:32 ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-03 10:28 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-03 14:22 ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-03 14:48 ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-03 17:29 ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2025-06-04 12:46 ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-04 13:46 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-04 14:16 ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-04 14:27 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-06-04 16:54 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-06-05 0:48 ` Baolin Wang
2025-06-05 6:32 ` Michal Hocko
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